In the name of the game!
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Post by In the name of the game! on Apr 14, 2016 19:22:29 GMT -5
As usual there's always a few that weigh on that know nothing of the situation. You sit in your fat boy chairs in Ontario and Alberta and make assumptions. And your first response is kick them out. The mistake was Hockey Manitobas admitted by the chief himself. The thing you failed to mention is the impact this has on the tournament and its organizers. They don't gain by having a Manitoba vs Manitoba game on Thursday at 10:30pm. And I haven't even mentioned Hockey Canada's lack of decision making skills. Paid to watch over the tournament but can't make a unified decision on what should be done. Embarrassing!!! Scurrying around like field mice. Go back to hotel and have a few more bottles of wine boys. Over and out!
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Post by munzie on Apr 14, 2016 19:25:41 GMT -5
This is totally unfair. I heard Stoney was flying in their recruits so that they would arrive at just the optimum time for their 8 o'clock start tonight. Now those couple of fly-in's will have to wait around maybe 2 hours or more and their timing may be way off. It's just not right!
And I sure hope someone checked to see that the town of Steinbach doesn't have a 12 o'clock midnight curfew for sporting events???
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Post by munzie on Apr 14, 2016 19:35:17 GMT -5
OK looks like Wade's got that fixed up and Stoney is still playing at 8 pm. That's good because otherwise SC might not have made it to the final on Sat. But they still won't be playing the team they thought they'd be playing, so still very unfair!
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Post by Harvey o on Apr 14, 2016 19:48:24 GMT -5
Idc was told players were not imports which is the reason they were not kicked out
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Post by bryb61 on Apr 14, 2016 19:58:44 GMT -5
It's very unfortunate. Ide-des-Chenes dressed too many imports for their 2 round robin games which should have been caught on Monday afternoon, not on Thursday before a important quarter final game! Because of that both their games resulted in forfeits. That is why today's game did not start at 4pm as it should have. With their forfeits it changed the standings. Hence the committee/reps/etc and the Allan Cup Chair (John D) had to reshuffle the schedule to reflect the current standings. A little hiccup but IMO it was handled properly. Good luck to all the participating teams. Any one can win it.
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Post by Shelley C on Apr 14, 2016 20:21:45 GMT -5
It's very unfortunate. Ide-des-Chenes dressed too many imports for their 2 round robin games which should have been caught on Monday afternoon, not on Thursday before a important quarter final game! Because of that both their games resulted in forfeits. That is why today's game did not start at 4pm as it should have. With their forfeits it changed the standings. Hence the committee/reps/etc and the Allan Cup Chair (John D) had to reshuffle the schedul111e to reflect the current standings. A little hiccup but IMO it was handled properly. Good luck to all the participating teams. Any one can win it. Regardless of who screwed up, and yes it will be Hockey Manitoba and Hockey Canada, things haven't changed in 20 years, why is the Host team playing at 10:30 tonight. It has been a big deal all week that SEPT plays at 8 pm now there is controversy and seems they are the ones that are penalized by having to play late. Why could they not have their game vs IDC played at 8 and the other teams playing now with a poorer record play at 10:30? Seems a bit fishy. Just a thought.
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Post by jimc on Apr 14, 2016 20:55:14 GMT -5
What an absolute embarrassment
Exhibit A for forcing any teams competing for a National title to play a meanin7gfuk slate of games during the season. This is a pathetic joke. Hockey Manitoba has long been a weak link..this cements their status as incompetent fools. Hockey Canada, as usual, has also made a mess of the decision making process. Never seen anything like this before. It is prettt obvious nobody takes sr hockey seriously at the executive level in MB. This just cant happen
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Post by AFAN on Apr 14, 2016 21:17:46 GMT -5
ALTHOUGH ITS SURELY NOT ALL HIS FAULT... WHY WOULD STONY START THE SAME GOALIE AS HIS STATS ARE REAL UGLY FOR THE FIRST 2 STARTS? JUST WONDERING...
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Post by Sniper 81 on Apr 14, 2016 23:36:22 GMT -5
I assume G Ryan Person was the odd man out and status with Kenora and te others caused an issue?
Person was the backup on the earlier boxscore and isn't the backup for the makeup game. Makes sense to sit him if he's not starting. One has to think the Kenora players caused the issue - 2 black marks this Allan Cup and next year's due to this team.
Definitely if this is the case, IDC should forfeit the game Person started but irrelevant to forfeit the game he was the backup and didn't play despite a faulty gamesheet. In some cases, you'd think common sense would prevail which would've maintained the original matchups.
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Post by wade on Apr 15, 2016 0:11:49 GMT -5
As usual there's always a few that weigh on that know nothing of the situation. You sit in your fat boy chairs in Ontario and Alberta and make assumptions. And your first response is kick them out. The mistake was Hockey Manitobas admitted by the chief himself. The thing you failed to mention is the impact this has on the tournament and its organizers. They don't gain by having a Manitoba vs Manitoba game on Thursday at 10:30pm. And I haven't even mentioned Hockey Canada's lack of decision making skills. Paid to watch over the tournament but can't make a unified decision on what should be done. Embarrassing!!! Scurrying around like field mice. Go back to hotel and have a few more bottles of wine boys. Over and out! IDC has primary responsibility to ensure they're understanding & abiding in ALL rules & regulations. They failed. A lot of things need fixing...but...IDC has bloody hands and yet...they're still playing. Whether they knew the rules or didn't...is irrelevant because the result is a tainted tournament due to IDC fumbling a basic situation.
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Post by jimc on Apr 15, 2016 7:09:43 GMT -5
It is possible HM reps approved...unofficially...the IDC roster...that doesn't mean they were right..it just means they are a bunch of bumbling twatsticks who have been fast and loose...or just stupid or carlesss...with rules violations in the past...and it bit them in the ass yesterday. Obviously Hockey Canada was never consulted before yesterday, because if they were, they would have responded...HC does not pre-check each roster...they leave it up to each individual team, and only offer advicee IF ASKED...they then rule on any violations after the fact...a really stupid and archaic process...but that is how they do business. Undoubtedly some underling lackey at HM 'mistakenly' approved the roster, and gave IDC the wrong info.
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Post by Don Robertson on Apr 15, 2016 8:08:45 GMT -5
It is possible HM reps approved...unofficially...the IDC roster...that doesn't mean they were right..it just means they are a bunch of bumbling twatsticks who have been fast and loose...or just stupid or carlesss...with rules violations in the past...and it bit them in the ass yesterday. Obviously Hockey Canada was never consulted before yesterday, because if they were, they would have responded...HC does not pre-check each roster...they leave it up to each individual team, and only offer advicee IF ASKED...they then rule on any violations after the fact...a really stupid and archaic process...but that is how they do business. Undoubtedly some underling lackey at HM 'mistakenly' approved the roster, and gave IDC the wrong info. I could go on for hours on this but won't, the facts are as I understand them is that you can only DRESS 6 imports and if you have more than 6 sit anything over that number. So yes the Roster can be approved but must be managed by the Club's GM and staff. Me thinks it's something ( imports ) easy to look at when IDC picked up some former Kenora which I'm sure would all be imports and would have all had to be transfers to MB Association. I may well be over simplifying this, but I doubt it.
Cheers Don Robertson
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Post by jimc on Apr 15, 2016 8:55:46 GMT -5
Don, based on this, do you approve of the 'solution' reached?
Is there any basis for a team being tossed from the tournament, or is vacating their lone win and making them the lowesr seed appropriate...after all, in AC play, you do not have to win a game in the round robin to advance, and this seesm a more plausible penalty.
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Post by Sniper 81 on Apr 15, 2016 9:46:37 GMT -5
Jim - not fair to remove IDC for the following reasons:
(1) Given bad advice from an official.
(2) Unfair bye for a quarter final team.
(3) Loss of gate for host. Already, I hope HC is reimbursing lost ticket sales for the rescheduling issues but I doubt even that is happening but it should.
Like I said, if Kenora players were the issue which I believe to be the case the game IDC won G Person was the backup. Yes a roster violation occurred but a game in which the team won and the backup didn't play there was no impact on that game. Easy resolution would be original quarter final matchups stood and IDC had to dress another backup which they did in the later game or remove an import position player. Sometimes common sense prevails over a hard and fast rule.
I have no doubt the secret email was from Bentley. They were apparently the only team that voted to remove IDC and their GM was vocal. This debacle resulted in a more favourable matchup to the finals.
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Post by tom on Apr 15, 2016 10:53:29 GMT -5
Sniper I agree Bentley wanted no part of southeast in a semi final , that's why they waited until the game was about to start before they bitched , there is no doubt they knew all along the rules but waited so they could try and put southeast in a jam the fear is obvios
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