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Post by Doug Mathieson on Jan 25, 2019 6:23:08 GMT -5
The Host Branch from past practice has gotten Quebecs spot in the Allan Cup That is why Kelowna was advancing with a free ticket to the Cup as with Alberta having Quebecs spot there was no need for a Provincial Playoff between BC and Alberta (MacKenzie Cup)
Things got interesting when Kelowna quit as there has been no formal announcement on whether Alberta is keeping the Quebec spot
There are three options for Quebecs spot 1 Alberta 2 Sask/Man 3 Ontario
1 Alberta Normally I would say Alberta must be given the spot from past practice, however if you do the Cup turns into basically an Alberta ACHW tournament with possibly the entire league in the Allan Cup There would be no need for a Stony Plain Innisfail playoff and both these teams would get free entrance to Cup without needing to win a game If Rosetown were to beat Manitoba the entire ACHW league is in the Cup along with Ontario and New Brunswick
2 Sask/Man If you give the spot to Manitoba there is no need for a Sask/Man playoff (Rathgaber Cup) and Rosetown would get the freebie advancing to the Cup as the lone Sask Team and Norway House Ste Anne and South East playoff for other Allan Cup spot
3 Ontario
If you give it to Ontario everyone would have to win at least one series to advance
Stony Plain/ Innisfail winner goes to Cup Sask/Man winner goes to Cup Both Ontario Semi Final winners go to Cup
However there are some financial considerations as well as Manitoba would have to travel to Rosetown for playoff and expense of bringing in Second Ontario team
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Post by mikey on Jan 28, 2019 18:18:46 GMT -5
So, who gets the spot?
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 28, 2019 21:06:10 GMT -5
Stay tuned, they may make up their minds by the time the Allan Cup starts.
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Jan 28, 2019 21:30:48 GMT -5
I suspect it has been decided already and they are delaying the announcement or on the other hand perhaps with there no longer being a senior counsel there is no one left to make the decision
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Post by gamer750 on Jan 28, 2019 23:38:39 GMT -5
Is there a senior Council in place, If yes where do I find executive ??
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Jan 29, 2019 0:10:37 GMT -5
There is no longer a senior council. I have no idea on how decisions are being made
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Post by gamer750 on Jan 29, 2019 0:51:25 GMT -5
General question, where is there a executive list for senior men's hockey in Canada ?? Someone is making decisions, but who ??
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Jan 29, 2019 1:53:42 GMT -5
I assume you have a stake in the outcome of the decision As I stated already from past practice the Host branch has the spot. There has been no announcement that they have it I know of no list and don’t know who is running things If you find out feel free to share with us
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Post by gamer750 on Jan 29, 2019 2:04:59 GMT -5
I am in NL so nothing to do with hockey here or anywhere, just a fan. Will be at Allan up in Lacombe, decide then who to cheer for.
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 29, 2019 5:57:39 GMT -5
Do you think the challenge issued by the Dawson City Nuggets for the Stanley Cup took this long? Their trip to Ottawa took 4 weeks.
Hockey Canada needs to be taken to task on this issue. Granted the Senior AAA level has been in decline, but this is a national championship under their jurisdiction. I more than understand this is the 21st century and the players have jobs and its difficult to commit to using up your vacation time from work to play hockey halfway across the country. But there are players and their families that have made that commitment and sacrifice.
In this day and age having a team that was guaranteed a spot and having to only travel about 9 hours by bus to get there drop out and not have a clue that the team was pretty much well dead back in September in pathetic. Kelowna and the rest of the members of what was the league they formed had zero social media presence after their playing seasons ended last year. I think the only announcement I had heard about (not even by them) was that they declared for Senior AAA. Funny how last winter they posted they would only register at that level if they won the Coy Cup last spring, they lost the final. Just tried looking at their website and its expired and their facebook page is now gone.
The Hockey Canada Board of Directors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Senior AAA level be ignored that bad. It that level of play in decline, yes but you don't take over 100 years of tradition and flush it down the toilet by ignoring it.
I was born in and live in the United States. My mother emigrated from Nova Scotia when she was a young adult in the late 1960's and I have deep roots in Canada. One of her brothers played junior hockey in the early to mid-1960's and even won the Sutherland Cup as the Junior B champions of Ontario with the Waterloo Siskins.
I am a firm believer that Canadian traditions such as the Allan Cup deserve to be preserved as they have been a part of what makes up the Canadian identity. This isn't the Alexander Cup which lasted about four years and it was pretty much well dead after two years. This is a national championship that has been won by teams from every province and even a team from the Yukon.
Only 12 teams are actually participating this year in the quest for the championship, but if I had a senior level team and was thinking about jumping to the Senior AAA level from either AA or A I would have to seriously look at the lack of commitment from Hockey Canada. The days of owners making profits off senior hockey went out with the introduction of television to Canada. The owners, staff, and players give up a lot of their time to play games that require leaving work early on Friday to go play a game three hours away and then drive home the same night during the Canadian winter. As I am writing this it is -28 C in Saskatoon with a windchill of -38. Why do they do it? They love the game. It is a love that started the first time the skates were put on as a child. I guess if you do ignore something long enough it does go away.
Sorry for rambling on but this has been aggravating me for a while now and I just had to vent.
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Jan 29, 2019 6:34:34 GMT -5
South thanks for the great post. I would give you my vote for Senior Council Do you think the challenge issued by the Dawson City Nuggets for the Stanley Cup took this long? Their trip to Ottawa took 4 weeks. Hockey Canada needs to be taken to task on this issue. Granted the Senior AAA level has been in decline, but this is a national championship under their jurisdiction. I more than understand this is the 21st century and the players have jobs and its difficult to commit to using up your vacation time from work to play hockey halfway across the country. But there are players and their families that have made that commitment and sacrifice. In this day and age having a team that was guaranteed a spot and having to only travel about 9 hours by bus to get there drop out and not have a clue that the team was pretty much well dead back in September in pathetic. Kelowna and the rest of the members of what was the league they formed had zero social media presence after their playing seasons ended last year. I think the only announcement I had heard about (not even by them) was that they declared for Senior AAA. Funny how last winter they posted they would only register at that level if they won the Coy Cup last spring, they lost the final. Just tried looking at their website and its expired and their facebook page is now gone. The Hockey Canada Board of Directors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Senior AAA level be ignored that bad. It that level of play in decline, yes but you don't take over 100 years of tradition and flush it down the toilet by ignoring it. I was born in and live in the United States. My mother emigrated from Nova Scotia when she was a young adult in the late 1960's and I have deep roots in Canada. One of her brothers played junior hockey in the early to mid-1960's and even won the Sutherland Cup as the Junior B champions of Ontario with the Waterloo Siskins. I am a firm believer that Canadian traditions such as the Allan Cup deserve to be preserved as they have been a part of what makes up the Canadian identity. This isn't the Alexander Cup which lasted about four years and it was pretty much well dead after two years. This is a national championship that has been won by teams from every province and even a team from the Yukon. Only 12 teams are actually participating this year in the quest for the championship, but if I had a senior level team and was thinking about jumping to the Senior AAA level from either AA or A I would have to seriously look at the lack of commitment from Hockey Canada. The days of owners making profits off senior hockey went out with the introduction of television to Canada. The owners, staff, and players give up a lot of their time to play games that require leaving work early on Friday to go play a game three hours away and then drive home the same night during the Canadian winter. As I am writing this it is -28 C in Saskatoon with a windchill of -38. Why do they do it? They love the game. It is a love that started the first time the skates were put on as a child. I guess if you do ignore something long enough it does go away. Sorry for rambling on but this has been aggravating me for a while now and I just had to vent.
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Post by IceMan_M on Jan 29, 2019 18:21:47 GMT -5
#SouthforCounsil #MakeSeniorGreatAgain (seems fitting for our US of A friend) Do you think the challenge issued by the Dawson City Nuggets for the Stanley Cup took this long? Their trip to Ottawa took 4 weeks. Hockey Canada needs to be taken to task on this issue. Granted the Senior AAA level has been in decline, but this is a national championship under their jurisdiction. I more than understand this is the 21st century and the players have jobs and its difficult to commit to using up your vacation time from work to play hockey halfway across the country. But there are players and their families that have made that commitment and sacrifice. In this day and age having a team that was guaranteed a spot and having to only travel about 9 hours by bus to get there drop out and not have a clue that the team was pretty much well dead back in September in pathetic. Kelowna and the rest of the members of what was the league they formed had zero social media presence after their playing seasons ended last year. I think the only announcement I had heard about (not even by them) was that they declared for Senior AAA. Funny how last winter they posted they would only register at that level if they won the Coy Cup last spring, they lost the final. Just tried looking at their website and its expired and their facebook page is now gone. The Hockey Canada Board of Directors should be ashamed of themselves for letting the Senior AAA level be ignored that bad. It that level of play in decline, yes but you don't take over 100 years of tradition and flush it down the toilet by ignoring it. I was born in and live in the United States. My mother emigrated from Nova Scotia when she was a young adult in the late 1960's and I have deep roots in Canada. One of her brothers played junior hockey in the early to mid-1960's and even won the Sutherland Cup as the Junior B champions of Ontario with the Waterloo Siskins. I am a firm believer that Canadian traditions such as the Allan Cup deserve to be preserved as they have been a part of what makes up the Canadian identity. This isn't the Alexander Cup which lasted about four years and it was pretty much well dead after two years. This is a national championship that has been won by teams from every province and even a team from the Yukon. Only 12 teams are actually participating this year in the quest for the championship, but if I had a senior level team and was thinking about jumping to the Senior AAA level from either AA or A I would have to seriously look at the lack of commitment from Hockey Canada. The days of owners making profits off senior hockey went out with the introduction of television to Canada. The owners, staff, and players give up a lot of their time to play games that require leaving work early on Friday to go play a game three hours away and then drive home the same night during the Canadian winter. As I am writing this it is -28 C in Saskatoon with a windchill of -38. Why do they do it? They love the game. It is a love that started the first time the skates were put on as a child. I guess if you do ignore something long enough it does go away. Sorry for rambling on but this has been aggravating me for a while now and I just had to vent.
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Post by IceMan_M on Jan 29, 2019 18:22:33 GMT -5
Also, my hunch is that the decision has been made and it may be dependent on how the ACHW standings finish as it's been a total gongshow lately with a tight race.
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Jan 29, 2019 18:32:29 GMT -5
Heard today that the decision has not been made.
I was thinking that it had been made and given to Alberta and they did not want to spoil box office by making regular season meaningless (as far as the Allan Cup is concerned) and thus they were holding back on announcement
However that is not the case and decision not made
The ACHW standings are not a factor as there will be a separate Allan Cup playoff between Stony Plain and Innisfail for the Cup spot Even if there was not a separate playoff they are the only two teams left to compete for the spot. Lacombe is Host and Rosetown competes in Saskatchewan
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 29, 2019 19:46:55 GMT -5
Too bad they didn't just have Rosetown join the Manitoba playoffs and have the winner of that four team tournament qualify since Rosetown gets a double bye and SEPT gets one bye and Norway House and Ste-Anne have to win 3 series to qualify for the Allan Cup. Expenses and ticket selling-wise having all 3 of the Alberta teams qualify would be the best solution but hardly the fairest solution. Innisfail is a 45 minute ride to Lacombe and Stony Plain is a two hour ride. Innisfail could go home each night they play and you would fill quite a few seats with fans of the two teams. Haut-Madawaska getting a free ride is not fair to other teams, but; it's not their fault you can't get anyone else from the Atlantic region to step up to Senior AAA. To make them earn it, I would have them play the runners-up from ACH in a best-of-three series for the berth. I have felt if you play in a Senior AAA league you should have a better chance of getting into the Allan Cup. Past practice would make the Alberta getting the Quebec spot in addition to the Pacific spot seem to be the logical solution.
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