gamer750
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Post by gamer750 on Dec 20, 2022 10:58:53 GMT -5
will there be AC ? Where ?
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Post by Scooter on Dec 20, 2022 15:15:41 GMT -5
will there be AC ? Where ? Good question. My guess would be Hamilton since they were supposed to host the Allan Cup the last time.
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Post by dontcallitsenior on Dec 20, 2022 15:49:54 GMT -5
Dundas will be the host if there is an Allan Cup.
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Post by IceMan_M on Dec 20, 2022 17:17:14 GMT -5
Also heard it was Dundas
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Post by mlh01 on Dec 20, 2022 19:00:57 GMT -5
Yes it will be Dundas if there is one. Hockey Canada not playing ball. Hearing they are not supporting many of the traditional (non money making) National championships in a financial way.
Very expensive to host Allan Cup. Decision needs to be made soon to lineup sponsors etc
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Post by outwest95 on Dec 20, 2022 23:33:30 GMT -5
Last I heard is if HC didn’t support the bid from Dundas for the cup then the OHF and OHA, along with the Ontario AAA league would pull the bid and host their own tournament with teams from accross the country. That was early fall so things may have changed.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 21, 2022 3:47:38 GMT -5
Hockey Canada has pretty much well ignored Senior AAA hockey for years. Hopefully with the restructuring of Hockey Canada with the replacing of the executives more attention may be paid to Senior AAA hockey.
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Post by outwest95 on Dec 23, 2022 0:09:50 GMT -5
You’d hope they would open the bid process for teams for the next years tournament as well or the next two. Get some stability and allow teams to grow again. However that’s If they chose to support senior hockey that is.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 23, 2022 4:27:08 GMT -5
You’d hope they would open the bid process for teams for the next years tournament as well or the next two. Get some stability and allow teams to grow again. However that’s If they chose to support senior hockey that is. Stability in senior hockey in the pandemic age? It is unstable under the best of conditions.
With the way the economy is going some small and medium size businesses may be a little bit tighter on the sponsorships. Any event tied to Hockey Canada at this point is not a link that many companies might want to be associated with until some of the major issues within Hockey Canada are corrected.
It would be nice if coming out of the conditions over the last few years could lead to a renaissance of senior hockey. If senior hockey at the AAA and AA levels could work to build back up the game. Possibly have some of the leagues that play at the senior AA level have a team or two out of each league be created to compete in senior AAA playoffs so that each province could have at least a few teams at least competing for a provincial championship and work towards building up the game with small steps and hopefully building senior AAA leagues in most if not all provinces.
Senior hockey has been in a tough spot since the 1950's. Several factors have made it different from junior, university, and professional hockey in that television and the players themselves are a little different from other levels of play.
Television stared the decline of senior hockey in that you could watch NHL games on television for free when television first started up. The players themselves are different in that they have other year round jobs to pay the bills and in most cases they are not full time students. People make sacrifices to provide for their families and what could be considered a hobby (an expensive one at that) would take second place to their family's needs. Whereas junior and university players are usually younger and don't have the family consideration to affect and can do classes remotely.
Possibly some of the changes caused by the pandemic could make it easier for some of the senior players as they don't have to lose time at work with working remotely or 4-ten hour days for many office jobs becoming the norm. Depending on how playoffs are set up provincial, regional, and national playoff rounds could lead to players needing a lot of time away from their jobs. A couple of days for provincial and regional playoffs with a week plus for the Allan Cup itself. I know it would be living out a dream in many cases to win a national championship, but using up about two weeks worth of vacation time to play hockey and not have it as family time would be a tough decision for many players.
Not having the Allan Cup for the last 3 years would have to pretty much put the senior AAA level at its' lowest point ever. Now the rebuilding is beginning at the local level and hopefully it comes to be as the senior AAA game has adapted to obstacles thrown in front of it. Such as during WWII when many military teams played for the Allan Cup. Another adaption has been the mid to small sized towns being the life blood for senior hockey as professional, minor league and major junior became the team for larger communities across Canada. Hopefully the economic situation will change for the better and businesses and fans have money available to sponsor and attend games to help the teams build a financial base to ensure success for the future.
The Allan Cup is the second oldest championship being contested for in Canada and is deserving of more respect than it has received from Hockey Canada over the years. It is barely even acknowledged by Hockey Canada any more and has been that way for about a decade if not longer. With a series of events occurring (the pandemic and the shake up in the executive of Hockey Canada) the not to distant future is the time to do something to rebuild the senior level nationwide. Going to the old East-West format has been mentioned as one solution and could make it easier to get teams to compete.
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Post by outwest95 on Dec 28, 2022 22:05:37 GMT -5
The heads of the AAA leagues in the country should be in talks with HC and teams on how to make this continue into the future. It’s so old and many people I know still see it as a prestigious event in the country. So why not find a way to work together to make it to the 100th and beyond.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 29, 2022 4:33:04 GMT -5
The heads of the AAA leagues in the country should be in talks with HC and teams on how to make this continue into the future. It’s so old and many people I know still see it as a prestigious event in the country. So why not find a way to work together to make it to the 100th and beyond. Agreed. With many things rising up out of the pandemic it seems it would be a good time to do something to change up the Allan Cup as many things have changed over the past couple years. This would be the perfect time to work on revising the format of qualifying and the tournament itself. The sad part the Allan Cup is older than Hockey Canada and they have treated it as an after thought for years. I understand with the lack of teams competing at this level, but isn't one of Hockey Canada's responsibilities to build the game in Canada? They are always tried to focus on making hockey an inclusive sport. That game building has almost always ended up being directed at small kids, which is the main area they should focus on as it builds a love of the game for life. Look at how many Major Junior, Junior A, Junior B, Junior C, and U18AAA teams exist across Canada. How many players came out of those ranks that have played university hockey in Canada or college in the US? These are people that have grown up playing competitve hockey all their lives. Adult competetive hockey is a level that is seriously lacking at this point. I am amazed that there isn't a women's version of this level as well. There is lot of women's talent in Canada that could make this level a possibility and that talent pool is grown as more girls are being exposed to higher level hockey with new leagues that have grown over the past decade or so.
The talent is out there. Working to build a system that makes it practical for league play as well as provincial, regional and nation championships for people that become adults with full time jobs and families. It's great that small towns are able to host a national championship but the logistics for hosting those events can be expensive. Travel, lodging, food, and ice time all add up fast. How about this for an idea have NHL, AHL, Major Junior, and University teams host the events at their facilites. The Premier Hockey Federation have most of their teams playing their games out of NHL practice rinks, why not have it at that sort of facility. For example, have the Montreal Canadiens host the tournament and have the round robin at their practice facility, the Complexe Sportif Bell and then have the playdown games and championship game at the Centre Bell.
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Post by outwest95 on Dec 29, 2022 16:17:13 GMT -5
It would be nice to see a major sponsor step up and maybe commit to like 3-5 years. At least that can help hosting teams with covering costs associated with hosting. Doesn’t have to be like huge like the Telus or esso cup, however like just something that HC can get some kickback and some cash for the host team.
If it’s played in the smaller communities or cities it will sellout no doubt. Also as long as it’s setup in advance so competing teams can plan ahead like mentioned before with dollar allocation and such.
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Post by robburr on Dec 31, 2022 10:22:07 GMT -5
I agree the senior level has been forgotten about by hockey Canada but its also time to reflect on why this level has disminished.They need to establish a set of player eligibilty rules.This should help to make teams more competitive.Reducing costs only helps to make this level attractive for prospective owners
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gamer750
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Post by gamer750 on Jan 10, 2023 13:00:25 GMT -5
Soon be time to make a decision on AC, 2 1/2 mths away, not much time to raise money needed for Host and away teams
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Post by outwest95 on Jan 10, 2023 18:23:41 GMT -5
Soon be time to make a decision on AC, 2 1/2 mths away, not much time to raise money needed for Host and away teams My understanding is that everything is set for an AC. Just waiting on HC to make an announcement of a go or no go. Need some things to happen obviously such as sanctioning from HC being the big one.
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