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Post by HockeyPops2 on Mar 18, 2015 13:44:53 GMT -5
Well Senior AAA fans, Nfld has found a way to screw the system once again. While all other teams had to have declared AAA status in August 2014, no Nfld team actually declared status at all. Then to make the do over even better all team had to declare and assign affiliates from AA or lower teams by December 2014 EXCEPT Nfld who are now holding a draft from ALL players from every team except the Caribous and Cataract teams. Every other teams players are open game to a total of 9 skaters 1 goaltender. Shouldn't the Chinook League and Ontario Allan Cup League be allowed to do the same??? After all Nfld is basically drafting from the same level of teams as the two teams attending the Allan Cup had declared to Hockey Canada. As usual, Dean Filane and the powers to be are turning a blind eye to the poor underprivileged Nfld Senior Mens League that plays at such a disadvantage to the rest of Canada.
Do ya think anyone actually believes that crap. Senior Hockey might actually gain ground when this kind of Bull___t gets stopped. Don't believe this can happen?? Here's the link and the first part of the article.
www.thetelegram.com/Sports/Hockey/2015-03-17/article-4080586/Depth-charting/1
Caribous and Cataracts can each choose from 10 affiliated players for Allan Cup
The Allan Cup national senior AAA men’s hockey championship is still about three weeks away, but the host Clarenville Caribous and Atlantic representative Grand Falls-Windsor Cataracts are expected to finalize their lineups later this week.
Both rosters are likely to include a handful of skaters selected from specially affiliated players drafted from the Central West Senior Hockey League’s other two teams — the Corner Brook Royals and Gander Flyers.
The Caribous, as hosts, picked first, with the teams alternating until each had selected 10 players, one of which had to be a goaltender. Being drafted does not guarantee a roster spot for the tournament, which runs April 13-18.
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Post by cat scratch fever on Mar 18, 2015 14:10:27 GMT -5
Well Senior AAA fans, Nfld has found a way to screw the system once again. While all other teams had to have declared AAA status in August 2014, no Nfld team actually declared status at all. Then to make the do over even better all team had to declare and assign affiliates from AA or lower teams by December 2014 EXCEPT Nfld who are now holding a draft from ALL players from every team except the Caribous and Cataract teams. Every other teams players are open game to a total of 9 skaters 1 goaltender. Shouldn't the Chinook League and Ontario Allan Cup League be allowed to do the same??? After all Nfld is basically drafting from the same level of teams as the two teams attending the Allan Cup had declared to Hockey Canada. As usual, Dean Filane and the powers to be are turning a blind eye to the poor underprivileged Nfld Senior Mens League that plays at such a disadvantage to the rest of Canada.
Do ya think anyone actually believes that crap. Senior Hockey might actually gain ground when this kind of Bull___t gets stopped. Don't believe this can happen?? Here's the link and the first part of the article.
www.thetelegram.com/Sports/Hockey/2015-03-17/article-4080586/Depth-charting/1
Caribous and Cataracts can each choose from 10 affiliated players for Allan Cup
The Allan Cup national senior AAA men’s hockey championship is still about three weeks away, but the host Clarenville Caribous and Atlantic representative Grand Falls-Windsor Cataracts are expected to finalize their lineups later this week.
Both rosters are likely to include a handful of skaters selected from specially affiliated players drafted from the Central West Senior Hockey League’s other two teams — the Corner Brook Royals and Gander Flyers.
The Caribous, as hosts, picked first, with the teams alternating until each had selected 10 players, one of which had to be a goaltender. Being drafted does not guarantee a roster spot for the tournament, which runs April 13-18. Hey Pops wake up up from your afternoon nap. The Clarenville Caribous are the Host and declared they would be in the Allan cup a few years ago. The Cataracts declared once they won the 2014 Herder in April of last year. Both teams have submitted there roster's back in early February as requested by Hockey Canada. As for a draft system...that was put into place so teams would not be able to buy the best players in the league...but rather pick one for one....We (Cataracts) picked 9 players and a goalie. I would thing there will only be 4-5 AP's including the back up goalie added to the Cataracts roster...as for the Caribou's....someone from there organization can answer that one.
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Post by wade on Mar 18, 2015 14:34:33 GMT -5
Imagine:
Buying a nice, brand new, peppy little sports car about 10 years ago. You bought it under the premise the warranty would be honoured and hoped you might get lucky and not need to take it into the dealership for anything other than oil changes.
You've been getting f*cked ever since you first drove off the lot.
The oil changes cost a fortune...but...that's the least of your concern now.
Now...the car won't start. Just a clicking sound when you turn the key.
The dealership where you got the car is now a Wal-Mart parking lot.
You dial the 1-800-Number and leave 900 unanswered voice mails. Which is odd...because someone out there knows to keep taking the monthly payments.
Finally someone calls you & informs you your model of vehicle was discontinued 8 years ago. Oh...and...you owe $1,600.
That's SR AAA hockey in a metaphorical nutshell, Teddy.
There isn't even anyone to answer the phone.
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Post by wade on Mar 18, 2015 14:44:03 GMT -5
Fever:
The issue is this:
NEWFOUNDLAND accredits it's Herder Champion to be its SR AAA Rep. for the following season. All teams in the CWSHL compete for the Herder Cup. Therefore...all teams are competing at SR AAA level & should not be permitted to be used as Affiliate sources. Technically...the AESHL should be the SR League from which AP's could be signed.
I'll say it again...any team competing for Herder Cup (the highest level of SR in NEWFOUNDLAND) is a SR AAA team.
I'll say it again: Corner Brook & Gander are SR AAA teams. Clarenville & GFW should not be able to AP with these teams.
I'll also say: Affiliation should be eliminated at the SR AAA level.
Enjoy your "cat nap".
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Post by Cat scratch fever on Mar 18, 2015 15:03:59 GMT -5
Wade The Royals and Flyers are AAA team cause you say they are?...they are AA teams....the League was always AA until Hockey Canada asked to send a team to the Allan Cup...and in order to do that a team had to be declared AAA....no need to debate the previous yr's team going.. your just beating a dead horse the General Taylor.
I just made a comment about the story that Pops comments on....which is inaccurate..we are not adding players NOW..already done...and aren't the Generals adding Ap's....it doesn't matter if your adding 1-2-3 0r 10...Ap's are Ap's....good luck in the Chinook league finals.
Looking forward to the Allan Cup... hopefully we do well.
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Post by hockeyfan on Mar 18, 2015 15:14:43 GMT -5
cats are only using 3-4 affiliates plus a player that played last year Rob Hennigar
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Post by wade on Mar 18, 2015 15:14:58 GMT -5
Fever: The League should not be able to call any of its teams "AA" when the league says it will send its champion to the Allan Cup.
If the entire league is eligible to win the Herder Cup & then go to the Allan Cup...the entire league should be considered SR AAA.
This is very simple & obvious.
The Generals submitted a list of Affiliate Players ahead of the Alberta deadline. Just like they do each year. The players they affiliated are from SR AA rosters, ineligible for Allan Cup play. Why do you ask?
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Post by wade on Mar 18, 2015 15:23:48 GMT -5
cats are only using 3-4 affiliates plus a player that played last year Rob Hennigar From a list of 10. All taken from the CWSHL, correct? Why were no AESHL players selected?
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Post by HockeyPos2 on Mar 18, 2015 15:28:42 GMT -5
Wade The Royals and Flyers are AAA team cause you say they are?...they are AA teams....the League was always AA until Hockey Canada asked to send a team to the Allan Cup...and in order to do that a team had to be declared AAA....no need to debate the previous yr's team going.. your just beating a dead horse the General Taylor. I just made a comment about the story that Pops comments on....which is inaccurate..we are not adding players NOW..already done...and aren't the Generals adding Ap's....it doesn't matter if your adding 1-2-3 0r 10...Ap's are Ap's....good luck in the Chinook league finals. Looking forward to the Allan Cup... hopefully we do well. Yes it's true, teams that have the ability to affiliate in all other areas of Canada are not doing so but rather have already done so as per Hockey Canada Rules and I quote certain items from HA Rules
GENERAL AFFILIATION PROCEDURES 32. In all affiliations permitted by preceding regulations in Regulation E, the written agreement between Teams involved in any one affiliation, shall be filed no later then December 15, by the Affiliated higher Division/Category Team with its Branch Executive Director. However, no Player is permitted to play for the higher Division or Category Team before such written agreement is filed with the Branch Executive Director.
Let's assume we all agree (not likely) with your statement that all the teams are AA except the 2 in the Allan Cup. OK? Then how do you hold a draft today for affiliates when the rest of Canada had to declare and sign by December 15/2014 and should we further agree (once again unlikely) that 2 teams from an area could be declared to be in the AC 2 years ago, why would you need to hold a draft today? The first thing that comes to mind is the fact that you get to wait to see who's still strong and healthy or who the best are for this season on other teams.
In case you missed the memo and no I just didn't wake up to what Nfld declared 2 years ago, it's about a fair and equal set of rules for all who compete for the AC not a bunch of new rules so Nfld would come back to play with it's own set of rules. If you knew the background of Nfld leaving, it was because they were convinced they couldn't compete (more bull___t) and now that they've proven they can, they want to be sure to stack the deck completely.
And to your point with Wade that all the other teams are AA but these 2 in the AC, how is it that 2 AAA teams get to compete for a AA Provincial Title ? You either have a AAA league or just a league and the AAA teams compete themselves for a title and the AA teams compete themselves for a title, you don't get both. (Oh s__t I'm wrong again, its Nfld after all)
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Post by naitch on Mar 18, 2015 17:57:05 GMT -5
What a disgrace...I'm officially embarrassed to say I am a Senior AAA fan.
Here is an EXTRA good luck to Brantford, Dundas, Bentley, Innisfail...the teams that do it the right way on the way to The Allan.
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Post by Don Robertson on Mar 18, 2015 18:10:24 GMT -5
I'm not complaining just stating that Dundas have 4 affialte players 1 a goalie and 3 skaters the goalie hasn't played in a month and the 3 skaters are still playing but down 3-1 in their 2nd round. The skaters are from a local Jr. B club and the goalie from Mark Jooris's trier 2 team. None have ever skated ( at practice or games ) with the Real McCoys, like the affialtes we have had the past 3 seasons. Most aren't ready to be dropped in the playoffs at this level. So that's how things are in Ontario or at least the Real McCoys, so we don't draft or really use affialte players for obvious reasons. We presently have at least 3 players out for the year and perhaps more depending on Doctors reports and we are only 1 game into the finals. I sure hope Kenora haven't had to deal with any season ending injuries with the schedule they have to deal with. ( sorry Bryan that's so the others get what we are up against )
Don Robertson
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Post by naitch on Mar 18, 2015 18:14:43 GMT -5
Kenora can go pound salt. They should have to at least play the Manitoba rep before playing the ACH rep..
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Post by naitch on Mar 18, 2015 18:14:58 GMT -5
Kenora can go pound salt. They should have to at least play the Manitoba rep before playing the ACH rep..
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Post by The Goon on Mar 18, 2015 18:51:00 GMT -5
Same old crap time to boycott the cup this year maybe that will light a fire under hockey Canada's ass.
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Post by sk on Mar 18, 2015 19:48:48 GMT -5
Natch Manitoba rep plays sask rep.
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