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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 2, 2023 19:01:56 GMT -5
Double forfeit due to lack of players would be my guess.
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 29, 2023 14:48:20 GMT -5
That would be great; I wonder what the Quaiyfing format would be. I assume Alberta Champion, Ontario Champion, and Dundas, Who will get the 4th spot I am suprised that at least a couple of teams haven't tried to register as AAA especially out of either New Brunswick or Saskatchewan (with fairly stable teams) or even the EOSHL or WOSHL (for a short trip to the tournament).
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 18, 2023 20:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 10, 2023 20:51:37 GMT -5
Soon be time to make a decision on AC, 2 1/2 mths away, not much time to raise money needed for Host and away teams They didn't announce it was cancelled until February 5th in 2021 (as part of the announcement that the Allan Cup, Telus Cup and Esso Cup were all cancelled) that it was cancelled and until late March in 2022 (by the Dundas Real McCoys) that it was cancelled last year. There's plenty of time.
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 2, 2023 5:42:20 GMT -5
Looked even farther and Doug has every single score from every Allan Cup game documented on the link I pasted, going back to 1909 Again not knowledgeable enough to know if all this info can suddenly disappear even though archived here? Let’s figure out. Would love to start a website to put all of this into. If you want the icehockey wiki website list all of the games in the finals and most of the qualifying over the years. I am an administrator for the site. Feel free to use what you can.
Allan Cup Final/Allan Cup Tournament
Eastern and Western Canada Allan Cup playoffs
Provincial Allan Cup Playoffs
There is also qualifying information for the Tournament era of the Allan Cup with the five regional qualifier information also available.
There is also links to the history of many of the teams and leagues that have competed for the Allan Cup over the years on the website. Several people have done a lot of research to include a very thorough history of Senior, Intermediate, Junior, and University hockey on the website.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 29, 2022 18:48:37 GMT -5
It appears allancup.ca is no longer the same portal either. Where will Allan Cup tournament stats be archived? We could start our own new forum here and just update it as we go? I’m not sure who would want to do that. However I know just hosting a site can be costly.
Try surfing around this website if you are looking for something specific:
The ice hockey wiki (which I am an administrator) has a lot of the scores and qualifying archived. Not as much on the statistics.
There is a page for each year on the website.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 29, 2022 4:37:37 GMT -5
They were in the West Prince Senior Hockey League and neither the website or facebook has been updated in about a year.
They finally announced (late Wednesday night) that they will have three teams (Kensington, Tignish, and Wellington) playing this year. The league starts Friday night.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 29, 2022 4:33:04 GMT -5
The heads of the AAA leagues in the country should be in talks with HC and teams on how to make this continue into the future. It’s so old and many people I know still see it as a prestigious event in the country. So why not find a way to work together to make it to the 100th and beyond. Agreed. With many things rising up out of the pandemic it seems it would be a good time to do something to change up the Allan Cup as many things have changed over the past couple years. This would be the perfect time to work on revising the format of qualifying and the tournament itself. The sad part the Allan Cup is older than Hockey Canada and they have treated it as an after thought for years. I understand with the lack of teams competing at this level, but isn't one of Hockey Canada's responsibilities to build the game in Canada? They are always tried to focus on making hockey an inclusive sport. That game building has almost always ended up being directed at small kids, which is the main area they should focus on as it builds a love of the game for life. Look at how many Major Junior, Junior A, Junior B, Junior C, and U18AAA teams exist across Canada. How many players came out of those ranks that have played university hockey in Canada or college in the US? These are people that have grown up playing competitve hockey all their lives. Adult competetive hockey is a level that is seriously lacking at this point. I am amazed that there isn't a women's version of this level as well. There is lot of women's talent in Canada that could make this level a possibility and that talent pool is grown as more girls are being exposed to higher level hockey with new leagues that have grown over the past decade or so.
The talent is out there. Working to build a system that makes it practical for league play as well as provincial, regional and nation championships for people that become adults with full time jobs and families. It's great that small towns are able to host a national championship but the logistics for hosting those events can be expensive. Travel, lodging, food, and ice time all add up fast. How about this for an idea have NHL, AHL, Major Junior, and University teams host the events at their facilites. The Premier Hockey Federation have most of their teams playing their games out of NHL practice rinks, why not have it at that sort of facility. For example, have the Montreal Canadiens host the tournament and have the round robin at their practice facility, the Complexe Sportif Bell and then have the playdown games and championship game at the Centre Bell.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 28, 2022 19:32:16 GMT -5
Try hitting the proboards main site. I have already forwarded them the information that Doug passed away and there is no administrator for the site. I offered to do it and they were looking into what to do with the website. They have been deleting the spam post for the gambling website that keeps showing up. I think having a couple of administrators may be a good thing in case anything else happens.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 23, 2022 18:39:17 GMT -5
Also on a side note the NCSHL has opted NOT to go to AA provincials this year. Just to clarify, the North Central or the North Peace league? Didn’t hear that news either way so I’m curious. Good finding on your part either way! The North Peace not participating is nothing out of the ordinary.
The Ranchland was having a problem with Hockey Alberta stemming from the exlusion of the Innisfail Eagles in last year's playoffs.
The Sask/Alta usually has the furthest advancing Alberta based team in the playoffs participate in the senior AA provincials
The East Central League is considered Senior A and has not had any teams participate in Senior AA provincials.
The North Central not participating would be quite a blow the tournament. They have already had the Fort Sask Chief withdraw due to lack of players.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 23, 2022 4:27:08 GMT -5
You’d hope they would open the bid process for teams for the next years tournament as well or the next two. Get some stability and allow teams to grow again. However that’s If they chose to support senior hockey that is. Stability in senior hockey in the pandemic age? It is unstable under the best of conditions.
With the way the economy is going some small and medium size businesses may be a little bit tighter on the sponsorships. Any event tied to Hockey Canada at this point is not a link that many companies might want to be associated with until some of the major issues within Hockey Canada are corrected.
It would be nice if coming out of the conditions over the last few years could lead to a renaissance of senior hockey. If senior hockey at the AAA and AA levels could work to build back up the game. Possibly have some of the leagues that play at the senior AA level have a team or two out of each league be created to compete in senior AAA playoffs so that each province could have at least a few teams at least competing for a provincial championship and work towards building up the game with small steps and hopefully building senior AAA leagues in most if not all provinces.
Senior hockey has been in a tough spot since the 1950's. Several factors have made it different from junior, university, and professional hockey in that television and the players themselves are a little different from other levels of play.
Television stared the decline of senior hockey in that you could watch NHL games on television for free when television first started up. The players themselves are different in that they have other year round jobs to pay the bills and in most cases they are not full time students. People make sacrifices to provide for their families and what could be considered a hobby (an expensive one at that) would take second place to their family's needs. Whereas junior and university players are usually younger and don't have the family consideration to affect and can do classes remotely.
Possibly some of the changes caused by the pandemic could make it easier for some of the senior players as they don't have to lose time at work with working remotely or 4-ten hour days for many office jobs becoming the norm. Depending on how playoffs are set up provincial, regional, and national playoff rounds could lead to players needing a lot of time away from their jobs. A couple of days for provincial and regional playoffs with a week plus for the Allan Cup itself. I know it would be living out a dream in many cases to win a national championship, but using up about two weeks worth of vacation time to play hockey and not have it as family time would be a tough decision for many players.
Not having the Allan Cup for the last 3 years would have to pretty much put the senior AAA level at its' lowest point ever. Now the rebuilding is beginning at the local level and hopefully it comes to be as the senior AAA game has adapted to obstacles thrown in front of it. Such as during WWII when many military teams played for the Allan Cup. Another adaption has been the mid to small sized towns being the life blood for senior hockey as professional, minor league and major junior became the team for larger communities across Canada. Hopefully the economic situation will change for the better and businesses and fans have money available to sponsor and attend games to help the teams build a financial base to ensure success for the future.
The Allan Cup is the second oldest championship being contested for in Canada and is deserving of more respect than it has received from Hockey Canada over the years. It is barely even acknowledged by Hockey Canada any more and has been that way for about a decade if not longer. With a series of events occurring (the pandemic and the shake up in the executive of Hockey Canada) the not to distant future is the time to do something to rebuild the senior level nationwide. Going to the old East-West format has been mentioned as one solution and could make it easier to get teams to compete.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 22, 2022 19:33:37 GMT -5
They were in the West Prince Senior Hockey League and neither the website or facebook has been updated in about a year.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 21, 2022 3:47:38 GMT -5
Hockey Canada has pretty much well ignored Senior AAA hockey for years. Hopefully with the restructuring of Hockey Canada with the replacing of the executives more attention may be paid to Senior AAA hockey.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 20, 2022 19:51:16 GMT -5
Great job! That takes a bit of effort and research to compile it all! One note - the North Peace link is going to the North Central page. Otherwise, bang-up job! corrected
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 19, 2022 5:16:50 GMT -5
For those of you that are interested here are links for the various Senior leagues across Canada
Newfoundland Central Newfoundland Hockey League: No website, several teams use facebook
Newfoundland West Coast Senior Hockey League: No website, several teams use facebook
New Brunswick The Ligue de Hockey Senior Acadie Chaleur is not playing this year.
Circuit de Hockey Senior Roger-Lizotte:https://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=crlhockey
PEI The West Prince Senior Hockey League doesn't appear to be operating this year.
The WPSHL annouced a schedule begining December 30th.
Quebec The Ligue de Hockey Senior Laval does not appear to be operating this year.
Ligue de Hockey Senior du Lac au Fleuve: lhslf.com/
Ontario
Western Ontario Super Hockey League:
Manitoba
The Carillion and North Central Leagues are not playing this year as both leagues are down to just two teams.
Saskatchewan The Qu'Appelle Valley and Highway Hockey Leagues fully merged for this year.
Alberta Sask/Alta Senior Hockey League (This is a new website):
British Columbia
Note: The old cihl.info website is no longer being updated
Nunavut
United States
The Black Diamond Hockey League and the Mountain West Hockey League both appear to have collapsed.
A new Western US based league appears to be in the works for 2023-24 with a flagship team based out of Las Vegas and possibly including some of the teams from the BDHL and MWHL. This league may be a semi-professional/low level professional league once it gets going.
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