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Post by Aaron on May 27, 2015 9:59:44 GMT -5
When we are saying last year (LARGE CAPS or small), what season are we referring to and which bottom end teams would we all be agreeing to that were terrible? As a courtesy wade, in addition to Norwood would you just please clarify who were the other bottom end teams in ACH that you refer to as clearly being terrible. Thanks for the courtesy of not even answering the question asked. Why would you say such an ill-informed stupid dumb ass thing in the first place.
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Post by wade on May 27, 2015 12:13:39 GMT -5
As a courtesy wade, in addition to Norwood would you just please clarify who were the other bottom end teams in ACH that you refer to as clearly being terrible. Thanks for the courtesy of not even answering the question asked. Why would you say such an ill-informed stupid dumb ass thing in the first place. I'm sorry...I tend to forget about that faction of the population who can't discern what is obvious and therefore have to ask for assistance all the time... ...As I've already said...Norwood...is the team Im referring to. I've received personal messages from ACH fans agreeing with my take on Norwood...also predicting that team will CONTINUE to struggle short of making the grade. It's not my intent to attack or insult Norwood or the ACH in general. All I'm saying is...population isn't what you guys think it is in terms of enabling SR AAA hockey to thrive in certain areas. It's way down on a complicated list of criteria...barely even relevant in the big picture.
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Post by naitch2727 on May 28, 2015 9:34:10 GMT -5
I believe Wade is correct. A large population does not always equate to more top end caliber players available. Look at Whitby as an example. They should be the top team in Canada every single year...no questions...based on the pool available in the GTA. Of course, recruitment plays a huge roll.
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Post by homes on May 28, 2015 23:14:04 GMT -5
Wade. I think you need to pick one opinion and stick to it. You've mentioned numerous times that we need more AAA teams in Canada but then complain that leagues shouldn't expand because some teams might not be that good. If by your logic these Ontario teams shouldn't be forming then how do you expect provinces like MB and SASK to form leagues. If Calgary with a pop. larger than all of MB can't form teams then how can MB do it to create a league.
The more teams in Ontario should be for the better of AAA. Stop shooting down these teams. You don't know how bad or good these teams really are without playing them. It's all a guess by you but you come across as being the almighty knowing.
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Post by wade on May 29, 2015 9:09:43 GMT -5
We NEED leagues in BC,SK, MB & QUE. We already have a league in Ontario and it's already struggling to find players. Whether a few posters here want to admit that or not is a story unto itself...but...I don't need to see them play in order to determine that what's been sold as a gold mine supply of players...isn't translating to a gold mine of players. At least not high end players.
I think "homes" you get yourself confused by trying to accuse me of something I'm not and that's a hypocrite.
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Post by Senior Hockey Vet on May 29, 2015 19:11:39 GMT -5
The Ontario league does not struggle whatsoever to find players. It's finding the right players. I remember going to games between Cambridge and Dundas where you had Steven Rice, Peter Zezel, Gilbert Dionne and many more on Cambridge facing Rick Vaive, Mark Jooris, Scott Walker and Todd Harvey and many more on Dundas. The crowds were huge and the calibre of hockey was just incredible. I remember walking into Galt St Arena when these two played and it was jammed to the rafters.
When rosters are filled with so many ex-pros what happens is you end up with some shorter benches.
I would much prefer this over the alternative. It's very easy to find players. Dundas could ice 5 teams on their own. But Don chooses to find the highest calibre ex-pro players. He ends up with some short benches but I love coming to watch the ex NHL/AHL players. Last year is a great example. Every McCoy was an ex-pro.
So don't say they have trouble finding players. Hamilton and Thorold will be very strong I'm sure.
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Post by wade on May 29, 2015 20:23:25 GMT -5
So, in the same post you admit there's been short benches...BUT...they don't have trouble finding players. Okaaay...I'm just gonna let that one hang around... But...the ex-NHL thing is a much bigger Red Herring. If we listed off every SR AAA player who had NHL experience...how many of the 40-60-ish could we say we're actually full-time committed & a legitimate player? Not that many in the grand scheme. A lot of them...out of shape or out of passion...or both. And of the few who actually performed...how many played every week? For more than a year? Two? We're already in single digits. Now...how many in a Non-Host year? Hello?! Anybody home?! Can't rely on those guys. Gotta look for college players & guys coming out of lower levels of pro hockey. And preferably...not in their 40's ... ?
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Post by Senior Hockey Vet on May 29, 2015 21:36:22 GMT -5
I said they have a short bench time to time because in many cases the ex-pros - ie Rice, Vaive, Prpic, McKee, etc do not, or cannot for many reasons, commit to playing every game. That is different than being short because you don't have players.
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Post by McCoys Fan on May 29, 2015 21:53:33 GMT -5
I said they have a short bench time to time because in many cases the ex-pros - ie Rice, Vaive, Prpic, McKee, etc do not, or cannot for many reasons, commit to playing every game. That is different than being short because you don't have players. Agree. I would rather see higher caliber players. It may be frustrating sometimes and almost becomes a game in the stands with fans asking "Will McKee, Ward, Stewart, Christie be there tonight". Yes it creates short benches. But I wouldn't trade the last 15 years as a McCoys fan watching all the former big leaguers in favour of always having 20 Junior B caliber players on the bench. Someone mentioned Dundas could ice 5 teams. Totally true. There are 15-20 CIS programs in Ontario and over 100 junior teams. But wade that is not Senior AAA. To me those players are AA or even A. I also think that if the league is as strong as it looks to be with 7 teams, and there are good fan bases, then each team will have no problem stocking players.
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Post by wade on May 29, 2015 22:42:05 GMT -5
Take a look at the resumes of most of the top players from Allan Cup 2015...most of them are CIS graduates. And they're in far better shape & far more committed to the cause than your ex-NHLers. Obviously.
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Post by RocknRoll Billy on May 31, 2015 8:07:38 GMT -5
Thats the biggest problem is the resume.So many guys get looked over who would be good AAA players in favour of the ex pro who only shows up to half the games.The only team that really gives a fair shake to guys is Brantford.Heck their leading scorer came out of Junior c same as Tyler Pelton who was a pretty good player.Teams need to open their eyes to talent not just a resume.
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Post by wade on May 31, 2015 12:22:57 GMT -5
Thats the biggest problem is the resume.So many guys get looked over who would be good AAA players in favour of the ex pro who only shows up to half the games.The only team that really gives a fair shake to guys is Brantford.Heck their leading scorer came out of Junior c same as Tyler Pelton who was a pretty good player.Teams need to open their eyes to talent not just a resume. It's a shared blame. Sometimes, recruiters get the wrong idea about what it is they're trying to accomplish & they sign "big names" on the premise of "big dreams". Canadian hockey fan-culture doesn't help. We're all guilty of being "snobs" when it comes to what level of hockey we THINK we should be supporting. People won't get excited about anything w/o NHL credentials & therefore GM's at this level are pressured into signing big names just to attract fans. And the big names themselves are sometimes way beyond tough to deal with. Sometimes a cup of coffee creates a sense of entitlement where they expect to be served tea with Mrs. McGuinty on a daily basis. CIS players are such a god-send...at least out here. I don't quite see the same parity for Ontario CIS hockey.
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Post by The Goon on May 31, 2015 13:00:33 GMT -5
Awesome Wade that is great Mrs. McGuinty.
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Post by Aaron on May 31, 2015 22:09:20 GMT -5
Watched a couple of games recently including tonights Memorial Cup. Funny thing happened.The so called speed team lost both times. Tonight the speed team couldn't score enough goals. In the other game a few weeks ago, the highly practiced and prepared team built for speed couldn't even figure out how to overcome a simple defensive trap.
With respect for Kelowna though, I doubt they will have some Ultimate Hypocritical Troll, crying foul because his team lost and he was bored. Oh boohoo...such a fucking dolt.....in so many ways....OBVIOUSLY.
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Post by wade on May 31, 2015 23:56:10 GMT -5
Aaron is Aangry.
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