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Post by wade on Apr 6, 2016 11:19:16 GMT -5
I've read a number of questions from different posters pertaining to the number of players listed on the rosters Doug has posted here.
A few things: The rosters Doug provides are NOT official rosters. These rosters appear to denote SOME of the "AP"s but not all. Nor do these rosters clarify which players are "Imports", "International Imports" or "B-37" provisions.
Also...keep in mind...each SR AAA roster has 28 allotments + 10 AP allotments + 1 B-37 allotment.
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Post by IceMan_M on Apr 6, 2016 11:34:23 GMT -5
I've read a number of questions from different posters pertaining to the number of players listed on the rosters Doug has posted here. A few things: The rosters Doug provides are NOT official rosters. These rosters appear to denote SOME of the "AP"s but not all. Nor do these rosters clarify which players are "Imports", "International Imports" or "B-37" provisions. Also...keep in mind...each SR AAA roster has 28 allotments + 10 AP allotments + 1 B-37 allotment. Thanks for clarifying this one. I was pretty confused! Cheers
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Apr 7, 2016 4:20:43 GMT -5
The Rosters posted are not the entire roster signed by each team
It is the Roster submitted by the teams so I can updated the Allan Cup Pointstreak
If a player is not going to the Allan Cup he will not be listed
The Rosters posted are not the final Allan Cup Roster but were what was submitted at the time I posted
Circumstances change and the Pointstreak Roster gets updated as the teams give me the updates
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Post by jimc on Apr 8, 2016 11:17:00 GMT -5
please clarify B-37?
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Post by wade on Apr 8, 2016 12:04:21 GMT -5
I'd like to be able to link the actual rule direct from the book but my search engine needs an oil change apparently. Basically...After SR AAA teams advance BEYOND Provincial play...they're premitted to add a goaltender from another SR team inside the respective Provincial Branch. Under this provision...the players does NOT have to come from a lower tier team (unlike an affiliate player). There is some "grey area" around this rule and I'm going to have to find a way to link the exact rule for 100% clarity.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 8, 2016 13:17:54 GMT -5
Holy smokes jimc uses derogatory label's for just about everyone and everything but doesn't know what the B-37 provision is for. I guess the allotment of 1 added goaltender is some sort of brand new rule created yesterday. Ya right!
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Post by wade on Apr 8, 2016 13:56:16 GMT -5
Well...off the top of my Jofa, I can't remember anytime an ACH team has ever actually used a B-37 goaltender...so...while it might be tempting to call someone out for ignorance on the rule...the rule itself is kinda chickeshit, it's been abused many times by many other teams and personally...I'm not proud of the fact I've become famialr with the rule because I've seen it in action with my own team (once).
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Post by Aaron on Apr 8, 2016 16:01:08 GMT -5
Well...off the top of my Jofa, I can't remember anytime an ACH team has ever actually used a B-37 goaltender...so...while it might be tempting to call someone out for ignorance on the rule...the rule itself is kinda chickeshit, it's been abused many times by many other teams and personally...I'm not proud of the fact I've become famialr with the rule because I've seen it in action with my own team (once). The Joffa knows! Prior to this year the last time I recall it was heavily discussed (but not implemented) was the suggested use of Norwood goalie Ryan Aschaber when I think that league was call MLH. Certainly has be used by other AC aspiring teams over the years. Nothing wrong with the provision if/when it's intended purpose not abused.
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Post by wade on Apr 8, 2016 16:56:07 GMT -5
To each their own I guess...personally...I can recall way too many times where I've tried to explain some of these rules to "rookie" fans of SR hockey...and although I admit to sometimes being guilty of lacking linguistic efficiency...SR AAA rules & regulations are BY FAR the most cumbersome and entangled pile of words anyone can ever come across in hockey circles.
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Post by #BlueJays on Apr 8, 2016 18:25:23 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I believe Dundas used Brett Leggat in the 2008 Allan Cup in Brantford as a B-37 pick up.
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Post by cowbellgal on Apr 8, 2016 18:34:30 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I believe Dundas used Brett Leggat in the 2008 Allan Cup in Brantford as a B-37 pick up. Leggat was on Dundas' 2008 Allan Cup roster. Quite possible you're right that he was a B-37 pick up as I found a 2008 regular season roster and didn't see his name on it. Was he still playing for Tillsonburg at the time?
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Post by wade on Apr 8, 2016 18:45:15 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I believe Dundas used Brett Leggat in the 2008 Allan Cup in Brantford as a B-37 pick up. Leggat was on Dundas' 2008 Allan Cup roster. Correct. But he was carded with Tillsonburg Vipers that year, I think. Dundas added him as a B-37 provision for AC08. Pretty sure he was the goaltender of record when Steve Rice zipped a shortside wrister in & jolted Brantford through the semi-final round. I believe Bryan Worosz was backing up ( ). Leggatt then became full-time with Dundas until 2010 when they had a 6'7" Dan Turple signed and darn near stole the Allan Cup in FSJ that year with Turple in net.
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Post by Sniper 81 on Apr 8, 2016 18:51:29 GMT -5
Yes - Leggat was on Tillsonburg in 2008 and was a Dundas pickup. Backup would've been Dickie who won a Memorial Cup and had AHL/OUA experience.
Worosz was actually Brantford's backup in 2008 behind Marshall.
Bentley had a B-37 pickup in Branch who won the Top Goaltender Award in 2008.
That semi-final OT game in 2008 was a treat - one of the best games I've seen at any level! Brantford carried the majority of the play but Leggat played well. I remember Rice getting the puck open just above the hash marks and knew with his shot it would be in with just 30+ seconds left to tie it. C Spurr scored on a breakaway in OT for the win.
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Post by wade on Apr 8, 2016 19:14:19 GMT -5
Yes - Leggat was on Tillsonburg in 2008 and was a Dundas pickup. Backup would've been Dickie who won a Memorial Cup and had AHL/OUA experience. Worosz was actually Brantford's backup in 2008 behind Marshall. Bentley had a B-37 pickup in Branch who won the Top Goaltender Award in 2008. That semi-final OT game in 2008 was a treat - one of the best games I've seen at any level! Brantford carried the majority of the play but Leggat played well. I remember Rice getting the puck open just above the hash marks and knew with his shot it would be in with just 30+ seconds left to tie it. C Spurr scored on a breakaway in OT for the win. Yep. Branch had played for FSJ in 2007 and averaged 50 saves/game in trying to stop The Army during Mac Cup in 2007. During the summer of 07' the Horse Lake First Nation Reserve called Branch up & offered him $10,000 to sign with them and compete in the NPHL at the "A" level. It was a no-brainier for Branch (he had 4 kids and a wife to feed at the time). The Generals had Scott Galenza who was more than adequate behind a 2008 roster which ended up with well over 200 NHL GP worth of experience...but...they were tantalized by the B-37 opportunity and after winning Provincials with Galenza...The Army went into Fort St John and brazenly started Branch against the Flyers! This move triggered a cauldron of seething rage and (IMO) cranked up what should have been a straightforward best of 5 into a street fight. We won the series but it cost us a pound of flesh. Joe Vandermeer, Mark Woolf and a few others played injured in Brantford. Branch was solid in Brantford...but...for cascade of calamity it caused to sign him...I never saw it as being worthwhile. The Gens' 2008 team could've put a 5 gallon pail in net and won most games that year...as long as all the star power wanted to play together
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Post by munzie on Apr 8, 2016 23:54:35 GMT -5
Yes - Leggat was on Tillsonburg in 2008 and was a Dundas pickup. Backup would've been Dickie who won a Memorial Cup and had AHL/OUA experience. Worosz was actually Brantford's backup in 2008 behind Marshall. Bentley had a B-37 pickup in Branch who won the Top Goaltender Award in 2008. That semi-final OT game in 2008 was a treat - one of the best games I've seen at any level! Brantford carried the majority of the play but Leggat played well. I remember Rice getting the puck open just above the hash marks and knew with his shot it would be in with just 30+ seconds left to tie it. C Spurr scored on a breakaway in OT for the win. Yep. Branch had played for FSJ in 2007 and averaged 50 saves/game in trying to stop The Army during Mac Cup in 2007. During the summer of 07' the Horse Lake First Nation Reserve called Branch up & offered him $10,000 to sign with them and compete in the NPHL at the "A" level. It was a no-brainier for Branch (he had 4 kids and a wife to feed at the time). The Generals had Scott Galenza who was more than adequate behind a 2008 roster which ended up with well over 200 NHL GP worth of experience...but...they were tantalized by the B-37 opportunity and after winning Provincials with Galenza...The Army went into Fort St John and brazenly started Branch against the Flyers! This move triggered a cauldron of seething rage and (IMO) cranked up what should have been a straightforward best of 5 into a street fight. We won the series but it cost us a pound of flesh. Joe Vandermeer, Mark Woolf and a few others played injured in Brantford. Branch was solid in Brantford...but...for cascade of calamity it caused to sign him...I never saw it as being worthwhile. The Gens' 2008 team could've put a 5 gallon pail in net and won most games that year...as long as all the star power wanted to play together This is good stuff and I think it may well bring some closure to some of my friends down Brantford way. I always appreciated that Dundas failed to advance to the 2008 final game which they would have won, when in the semi-final they allowed a totally un-obstructed beach ball (albeit with Rice velocity) to nevertheless sail from the top of face-off circle, past an apparently frozen arm and into the upper corner of the net. How could I ever forget? I remember too, the whole Branch saga and the minor skirmish that took place when the great army descended with all their fire power on FSJ, and sustained a few minor abrasions during routine mop-up operations. I also remember during the latter part of 2008 AC week in Brantford, hearing the great army's planes overhead as reinforcements were reported to be parachuting in. It's always been a little unfair I think, that the good folks of Brantford have for all this time been left to quandary how their mediocre team of misfits could possibly have prevailed over a superior opponent from the western front and then adding to their embarrassment, were asked to skate around their rink with the cup in their arms. To this day, I know they are still burdened trying to come to grips with how they were allowed to steal that cup. I mean they never even employed a trap or anything like that. They just showed up.......and somehow won! Well at least now after all this time my friends can finally have some closure, even if no respect is offered. It's all so simple it seems. A couple of the opposing soldiers had some minor bruises. Another whole bunch of highly trained & practiced troops with a cazillion years of top level combat experience didn't feel like playing together. A couple of paratroopers either crash landed or I guess just didn't work out, and to top it all off, someone forgot to bring a five gallon pail to but between the pipes. Well who would have ever thought! Perhaps for therapeutic reasons would someone please rush this over to the Brantford Expositor ASAP for emmediate release.
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