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Post by wade on Apr 9, 2016 9:54:12 GMT -5
Come to think of it...Rob Branch wasn't a B-37 provision in Brantford. He was an Affiliate Player along with 7-8 other extra bodies The Army carried that week.
To be totally accurate...The Army had Paxton Schaefer in their B-37 slot at the 2008 Allan Cup. Schaefer wasn't actually in Brantford.
The only time Bentley has used a B-37 was 2009.
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Post by wade on Apr 9, 2016 10:40:08 GMT -5
And Munzie you can brush whatever kind of portrait you wish here...but...I trust my big picture and I vividly recall The Army wasting 10 power play opportunities in their 1rst round robin game against Shawinigain Extreme & losing 2-1. That loss led us into the quarter-final round and...as anyone can see from the 30+'quarter-final round advancers in the tournament era...Allan Cup odds are devestatingly diminished.
It's a politcally correct context...to acknowledge the Champion as being worthy and whatnot. We already know HOST teams are totally capable to win any given tournament before the faceoff even occurs. My take on 2008 was...as a team coming in from the other side of the country...we double-stacked the odds against us when we didn't bare down in the round robin. The Army brought...by far...the longest list of players...but...the core pieces are what drive the dreams and when went go 1-10 on the PP...we began to learn a lesson about the process.
Same thing last year when SEPT won with a short bench...sometimes...the list of 35 looks really impressive...but...it's the work of 8-10 mainstays who determine a short tournament.
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Post by tomruff on Apr 9, 2016 12:45:25 GMT -5
Going back to 2008. Leggat also played in the Robertson Cup series. B-37 could be used as it was OHF vs HNO branch vs branch.
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Post by cowbellgal on Apr 10, 2016 0:15:59 GMT -5
I was at the semi-final game in 2008 vs Dundas. One of the main things I remember from it was how quiet the Dundas fans sitting around me were getting during the latter part of the game. The team of Brantford misfits had the nerve to defeat the McCoys. And then the battle weary warriors (not to be confused with the Warriors lacrosse team in the 70s) went on to defeat the Army for the Allan Cup the next day. Those upstarts! But I'm sure everyone felt vindicated as in 2009, Brantford didn't even make their league playoffs.
Seriously, Wade and Munzie, enjoy reading your posts. Sometimes sarcastic, sometime humourous but they always reflect your knowledge of senior hockey.
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Post by Don Robertson on Apr 10, 2016 8:01:22 GMT -5
Going back to 2008. Leggat also played in the Robertson Cup series. B-37 could be used as it was OHF vs HNO branch vs branch. The Robertson Cup is an OHF/OHA Championship there NHO don't compete for it. Don Robertson
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Post by munzie on Apr 10, 2016 12:54:19 GMT -5
And Munzie you can brush whatever kind of portrait you wish here...but...I trust my big picture and I vividly recall The Army wasting 10 power play opportunities in their 1rst round robin game against Shawinigain Extreme & losing 2-1. That loss led us into the quarter-final round and...as anyone can see from the 30+'quarter-final round advancers in the tournament era...Allan Cup odds are devestatingly diminished. It's a politcally correct context...to acknowledge the Champion as being worthy and whatnot. We already know HOST teams are totally capable to win any given tournament before the faceoff even occurs. My take on 2008 was...as a team coming in from the other side of the country...we double-stacked the odds against us when we didn't bare down in the round robin. The Army brought...by far...the longest list of players...but...the core pieces are what drive the dreams and when went go 1-10 on the PP...we began to learn a lesson about the process. Same thing last year when SEPT won with a short bench...sometimes...the list of 35 looks really impressive...but...it's the work of 8-10 mainstays who determine a short tournament. Was trying to be charitable with my 'message' and have a little fun at the same time is all.
I'm sure my friends & foes down Brantford way will be most gratified to know that in a "politically correct context" they perhaps were worthy. I sincerely hope you didn't herniate yourself giving up that overwhelming concession.
Seems though, like I did fail to complete the list of excuses as you have pointed out. So ok, we shall add a lousy power play and coming all the way from the other side of the country (with all those high level pedigree guys, who in their careers had probably never travelled by covered wagon before, much less by foot.
So in the interests of getting this thing wrapped up and having the list completed, are there any other excuses that we have missed?
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Post by jimc on Apr 10, 2016 13:17:46 GMT -5
Holy smokes jimc uses derogatory label's for just about everyone and everything but doesn't know what the B-37 provision is for. I guess the allotment of 1 added goaltender is some sort of brand new rule created yesterday. Ya right! Were you born this stupid or did you have to go take a special curriculum in school to become a 1st rate idiot?? I am fully familiar with the rule that allows teams to pick up a 3rd goaltender...I was asking someone who actually knows something worth posting for clarification on B-37. I know that is a large word...you may wish to look it up, child. Perhaps your next post might be the first one where you offer a relevant or intelligent thought? We can always hope...
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Post by wade on Apr 10, 2016 14:06:04 GMT -5
And Munzie you can brush whatever kind of portrait you wish here...but...I trust my big picture and I vividly recall The Army wasting 10 power play opportunities in their 1rst round robin game against Shawinigain Extreme & losing 2-1. That loss led us into the quarter-final round and...as anyone can see from the 30+'quarter-final round advancers in the tournament era...Allan Cup odds are devestatingly diminished. It's a politcally correct context...to acknowledge the Champion as being worthy and whatnot. We already know HOST teams are totally capable to win any given tournament before the faceoff even occurs. My take on 2008 was...as a team coming in from the other side of the country...we double-stacked the odds against us when we didn't bare down in the round robin. The Army brought...by far...the longest list of players...but...the core pieces are what drive the dreams and when went go 1-10 on the PP...we began to learn a lesson about the process. Same thing last year when SEPT won with a short bench...sometimes...the list of 35 looks really impressive...but...it's the work of 8-10 mainstays who determine a short tournament. Was trying to be charitable with my 'message' and have a little fun at the same time is all.
I'm sure my friends & foes down Brantford way will be most gratified to know that in a "politically correct context" they perhaps were worthy. I sincerely hope you didn't herniate yourself giving up that overwhelming concession.
Seems though, like I did fail to complete the list of excuses as you have pointed out. So ok, we shall add a lousy power play and coming all the way from the other side of the country (with all those high level pedigree guys, who in their careers had probably never travelled by covered wagon before, much less by foot.
So in the interests of getting this thing wrapped up and having the list completed, are there any other excuses that we have missed? Sorry, man. I think your the only reader here whose offended by what I'm saying. Both Brantford & Bentley had capable teams in 2008. So did Dundas, Whitby and Shawinigain, actually. The 2008 Champion did a lot of things right and the rest of the contenders...not as much. It's not an "excuse". It's what happened.
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Post by Sniper 81 on Apr 10, 2016 16:50:36 GMT -5
Brantford really locked it down on team defence wise in the tournament in 2008. Brown was a force. Marshall was solid but IMO didn't need to be great in any particular game.
The team wasn't as ragtag as you may think. Without looking up stats and going of memory they had several 100+ point scorers in either minor pro or major junior - Stewart, Gretzky, Brand, Grenville plus the most dominant line in the tournament Rice, Spurr and Healy.
Brantford beat Bentley twice with both Branch and Galenza in net so I don't think it was a fluke!
We laughed during opening ceremonies! Bentley had twice as many players/staff as other teams. By memory there must've been 35+ players there.
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Post by munzie on Apr 10, 2016 17:45:21 GMT -5
Brantford really locked it down on team defence wise in the tournament in 2008. Brown was a force. Marshall was solid but IMO didn't need to be great in any particular game. The team wasn't as ragtag as you may think. Without looking up stats and going of memory they had several 100+ point scorers in either minor pro or major junior - Stewart, Gretzky, Brand, Grenville plus the most dominant line in the tournament Rice, Spurr and Healy. Brantford beat Bentley twice with both Branch and Galenza in net so I don't think it was a fluke! We laughed during opening ceremonies! Bentley had twice as many players/staff as other teams. By memory there must've been 35+ players there. Yes and let me make myself very clear. The only thing that was ragtag about your team, was my intentional total misuse of that term which I used today.
Fact is they were a very high quality team with the names you mention and with a solid supporting cast as well. Absolutely deserving champions, period. Without any caveats or political correctness attached.
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Post by tomruff on Apr 10, 2016 19:34:04 GMT -5
Going back to 2008. Leggat also played in the Robertson Cup series. B-37 could be used as it was OHF vs HNO branch vs branch. The Robertson Cup is an OHF/OHA Championship there NHO don't compete for it. Don Robertson Oops Renwick my apologies. I was also remiss and forgot that former McCoy and Tundra goalie Dave DiGironimo played for Whitby in the Allan Cup 2007 under B-37 provision. Thanks to the multiple winner of the Robertson for the correction. And a Winner of a Renwick without winning the Robertson in the same season.
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Post by Don Robertson on Apr 10, 2016 20:35:43 GMT -5
The Robertson Cup is an OHF/OHA Championship there NHO don't compete for it. Don Robertson Oops Renwick my apologies. I was also remiss and forgot that former McCoy and Tundra goalie Dave DiGironimo played for Whitby in the Allan Cup 2007 under B-37 provision. Thanks to the multiple winner of the Robertson for the correction. And a Winner of a Renwick without winning the Robertson in the same season. Great point we didn't win the Robertson Cup that year and did win a Renwick Cup that didn't matter and rested several key players during the Robertson Cup, I was only pointing out that the NHO doesn't compete for the Robertson Cup, that said I understand your confusion based on the fact that the Orillia Tunda's never won any. I guess that would make David's participation a big deal. Don Robertson
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Post by wade on Apr 11, 2016 7:28:34 GMT -5
Brantford really locked it down on team defence wise in the tournament in 2008. Brown was a force. Marshall was solid but IMO didn't need to be great in any particular game. The team wasn't as ragtag as you may think. Without looking up stats and going of memory they had several 100+ point scorers in either minor pro or major junior - Stewart, Gretzky, Brand, Grenville plus the most dominant line in the tournament Rice, Spurr and Healy. Brantford beat Bentley twice with both Branch and Galenza in net so I don't think it was a fluke! We laughed during opening ceremonies! Bentley had twice as many players/staff as other teams. By memory there must've been 35+ players there. Shawinigan was the best team in the tournament at the end of the round robin. That's why...like I said before...The Generals had their bed made for them when they lost to Shawinigan on the 2nd day of the 08' tournament. The Quebecers' had already beaten Brantford the previous day and cliched the bye. But...Brantford...survived both quarters and semis...as did Bentley. Didn't Brantford actually end up playing Whitby & Dundas in elimination games?
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Post by munzie on Apr 11, 2016 7:54:09 GMT -5
[quote author="wade "
But...Brantford...survived both quarters and semis...as did Bentley. Didn't Brantford actually end up playing Whitby & Dundas in elimination games?
[/quote] [/p]
Yes & yes...correct!
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Post by jimc on Apr 11, 2016 10:27:26 GMT -5
Brantford were full value for their win...they were a loaded team, and also won 3 elimination games in a row..beating the other 2 top contenders in the SF and F games.
Rice was as good as he ever played in SR Hockey.
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