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Post by Guest on Apr 19, 2017 15:24:05 GMT -5
First of all, All teams have their rosters scrutinized by the jurisdiction, if that jurisdiction approves the roster how is it the teams fault on illegal players?
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Post by jimc on Apr 19, 2017 15:37:45 GMT -5
I honestly don't see what Lacombe did wrong here...aside from violate the SPIRIT of the rule...I wholly agree an EMERGENCY (B-37) 'tender should only be allowed to play in the event both their goalies are unable to go...and that means backing up if the starter goes down, and the regular back-up then plays.
It seems that both the Alberta branch and HC signed off on the player, only to have HC reverse its own decision during the tournament...yet again...giving the whole thin g another unnecessary black eye...but hey...that is what Dean Filane and co do....
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Post by Guest on Apr 19, 2017 15:53:06 GMT -5
I honestly don't see what Lacombe did wrong here...aside from violate the SPIRIT of the rule...I wholly agree an EMERGENCY (B-37) 'tender should only be allowed to play in the event both their goalies are unable to go...and that means backing up if the starter goes down, and the regular back-up then plays. It seems that both the Alberta branch and HC signed off on the player, only to have HC reverse its own decision during the tournament...yet again...giving the whole thin g another unnecessary black eye...but hey...that is what Dean Filane and co do.... Actually as has been pointed out, Lacombe violated the LETTER of the rule and NOT just the SPIRIT. HC doesn't sign off on players prior to the tournament, just the provincial branch which either didn't know the rules or more likely turned a blind eye.
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Post by wade on Apr 19, 2017 17:01:05 GMT -5
The B-37 provision was in use & abused long before Bentley Generals ever got ahold of it. It's also been used & abused by other branches besides Alberta.
Furthermore, Lacombe only brought 2 goalies to NB. Barnstable & their B-37 (Stanford). Deserres was injured. Therefore, they had every right to use a B-37 as it's NOT realistic to expect ONE Goalie to play all 5 games in 5 days.
Mind you...when did being realistic or consistent ever become part of the fabric of Allan Cup governance?
Lastly, people posting under "guest" status and throwing around the term "chickenshit" is a bit unfair.
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Post by Don Robertson on Apr 19, 2017 19:21:30 GMT -5
I honestly don't see what Lacombe did wrong here...aside from violate the SPIRIT of the rule...I wholly agree an EMERGENCY (B-37) 'tender should only be allowed to play in the event both their goalies are unable to go...and that means backing up if the starter goes down, and the regular back-up then plays. It seems that both the Alberta branch and HC signed off on the player, only to have HC reverse its own decision during the tournament...yet again...giving the whole thin g another unnecessary black eye...but hey...that is what Dean Filane and co do.... Actually as has been pointed out, Lacombe violated the LETTER of the rule and NOT just the SPIRIT. HC doesn't sign off on players prior to the tournament, just the provincial branch which either didn't know the rules or more likely turned a blind eye. I'm not a fan of commenting on stuff I'm sure of but as I understand it the pick goalie played for U of Calgary and if that is the case it would be fine provided he didn't play a game after Jan 10th for the U team if he didn't it's not an issue if he did he wouldn't be eligible me thinks. Don Robertson
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Post by Sniper 81 on Apr 19, 2017 21:22:46 GMT -5
Bentley also used an AP G Rod Branch most games in 2008 AC in Brantford who was named Top Goalie.
They also got exceptions in 2013 AC Bentley for G Dan Bakala who I believe played pro after Jan 10th that year.
Yet if another team does something within or outside the rules there's complaints and emails lol!
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Post by wade on Apr 19, 2017 23:23:17 GMT -5
Bentley also used an AP G Rod Branch most games in 2008 AC in Brantford who was named Top Goalie. They also got exceptions in 2013 AC Bentley for G Dan Bakala who I believe played pro after Jan 10th that year. Yet if another team does something within or outside the rules there's complaints and emails lol! Branch playing in 2008 is the exact same as Christie playing in 2017. Don't you know the difference in a B-37 and an AP? Bakala never required any kind of exception. There was never a damned thing wrong with his eligibility. Someone came on the forum & questioned it but his release from Tulsa Oilers was retroactive from prior to Christmas of that hockey season. As for what happened last year...I stopped answering YOUR posts because of how you acted last spring. You claimed you had a source telling you information and I know your information to be categorically false and I strongly suspect you LIED about having any source. You fabricated the entire thing so you could participate in the discussion. It was childish & permanently damming on your credibility with me. Your trolling.
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Post by AFAN on Apr 20, 2017 6:32:57 GMT -5
WHAT IS A "RETROACTIVE" RELEASE DATE
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Post by guest on Apr 20, 2017 8:58:38 GMT -5
I wonder if hockey canada enforced the b37 this year on lacombe because of all the problems bentley created last year. bentley knew after the first game ile des chenes had to many imports but they waited and caused hockey canada to look like a bunch of incompetent clowns
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2017 9:27:15 GMT -5
WHAT IS A "RETROACTIVE" RELEASE DATE His name appeared on a Tulsa Oilers website, listing him as a Back-Up goalie on Jan-12th...but...the release/termination records requested were dated Dec. XXth. ( A month earlier). At the end of the day...anywhere in the SR AAA globe...there are documentation issues. It's been happening from September to Spring every single season & all teams get nipped on different shit. The regulatory system...the rules...DONT WORK. I've been saying it for 10 years. Easily ...10 years. And it's ignorant to say ANY specific team acted alone and should accept exclusive blame for this mess. The IDC fiasco...IMO...was a major error on a simple rule...but...the spirit of the "Import Rule" its self...is actually completely useless to SR AAA hockey. That rule is designed & aimed at JR hockey. To prevent Provincial JR leagues from inter-recruiting thereby bleeding less stocked Provincial sources & over-stocking preferred leagues. At the SR level, it's suppose to prevent situations like what we see with Newfie teams' hiring players from all over Canada. Clearly, it doesn't do what it's suppsoed to do and it ends up causing way more harm than good. As for the B-37...Dundas used it to add Ryan Aschaeber a few years ago...Stony Creek tried to bring Brett Leggatt to Steinbach and if they could've talked him into it you can bet your ass Svieve would've been "injured". Horse Lake used a B-37 to add Bryce Wandler in 2005. Long before The Army ever even knew the rule. I've never liked the way the rule actually gets used. Even less so, now that SR AAA teams have 28 man rosters + AP provisions. SEPT showed up in Clarenville w/o Steve Christie on any kind of player card. They managed to massage his legitimacy into the tournament by subsequently listing him as a B-37. There were so many roster errors in Clarenville, any remotely acceptable endorsement was approved and onto the next smouldering pile of confusion...however. The situation with Stanford...I didn't yet ask for an explaination from The Army...but...like I said before...they DID have an injury to at least one goaltender. Looks to me like the one time the rule could've been properly excersized it ended up exsorsized instead.
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2017 9:40:19 GMT -5
I wonder if hockey canada enforced the b37 this year on lacombe because of all the problems bentley created last year. bentley knew after the first game ile des chenes had to many imports but they waited and caused hockey canada to look like a bunch of incompetent clowns The issue last year, was first raised BEFORE any games were played on the START of the tournament week. In fact, I had personally raised questions about IDC's roster when MB Provincials were being played. Nobody was doing anything about it until Shellbrook, who'd ensured they were in compliance with Import Caps, was getting ready to play an IDC in non-compliance. And by then...everyone in Steinbach knew about it. Something had to be done. The Army got fingered for being a tattle-tale....but...the original problem COULD HAVE been ammended before puck drop on the WEEK! I believe I can pinpoint the ignition source for the B-37 issue last week...but...I can't be certain...and therefore I won't it say. Doesn't really fix the big problem, anyway
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Post by jimc on Apr 24, 2017 12:00:08 GMT -5
If the provincial branch OK's the use of a player, its really BS to blame the team, who asked for clarification and proper vetting ahead of inter-branch play
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