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Post by Doug Mathieson on Mar 11, 2020 1:10:39 GMT -5
Rosetown withdrew from Allan Contention posting a tweet "Due to unforeseen circumstances and not being able to get enough players committed, we have withdrawn from Rathgaber and Allan Cup contention. We thank all of you for the years of support"
With the announcement South East will advance to Allan Cup as West Rep
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Mar 11, 2020 10:03:40 GMT -5
There are only two options with the Quebec spot now that Rosetown has withdrawn
1.If Brantford loses to Hamilton they give it to Alberta and both Stony Plain And Innisfail are in
2 They give it to Ontario and Brantford is in win or lose
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Post by southoftheborder on Mar 11, 2020 10:31:49 GMT -5
There are only two options with the Quebec spot now that Rosetown has withdrawn 1.If Brantford loses to Hamilton they give it to Alberta and both Stony Plain And Innisfail are in 2 They give it to Ontario and Brantford is in win or lose Option 2 would seem to be the most logical for several reasons Brantford has already won a series, unused spots traditionally go to host branch. expenses wise Brantford would be able to stay at home for the tournament and travel home each night as it is only about a half hour from Hamilton. the loser of the Innisfail - Stony Plain series hasn't won any series yet. If the host team qualifies by winning a qualifier tournament tournament Hockey Canada has the runner-up qualify as the league/regional representative. In the past three teams from the host region has occurred fairly often
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Post by shrimp on Mar 11, 2020 19:45:23 GMT -5
who makes the decision and when ?
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Post by hockeydad on Mar 11, 2020 22:24:53 GMT -5
Why would 2 make sense? Last year Alberta should’ve got the 3 team spot With a team drop out as it was Alberta hosting but gave it to rosetown. Now it would go back to 3 teams from one province? Change the rule what has always been done and now go back to it? Dumb.
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Mar 12, 2020 1:57:19 GMT -5
Why would 2 make sense? Last year Alberta should’ve got the 3 team spot With a team drop out as it was Alberta hosting but gave it to rosetown. Now it would go back to 3 teams from one province? Change the rule what has always been done and now go back to it? Dumb. If you are saying change the rule to what is usually has been then the rule was host branch gets the spot Therefore spot would go to host branch Ontario The reason they took spot away from host Alberta last year was if they got it then the entire Alberta league other than Fort Sask would have been in Allan Cup Process was complicated this year with having two host teams Dundas and Hamilton who get spots. If Brantford were to win Ontario you could not tell them they did not have a spot With no senior council I assume decision is made high up in Hockey Canada, hopefully sooner than later The two remaining Allan Spots will go to two of the three teams. Stony Plain Innisfail and Brantford
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Post by southoftheborder on Mar 12, 2020 4:25:46 GMT -5
Why would 2 make sense? Last year Alberta should’ve got the 3 team spot With a team drop out as it was Alberta hosting but gave it to rosetown. Now it would go back to 3 teams from one province? Change the rule what has always been done and now go back to it? Dumb. Conversely, why would 1 make sense? I get your point on the three team thing being dumb but my key point would be that Brantford has won a playoff series. The loser of Innisfail/Stony Plain would have beaten no one. What about Norway House they would have the same argument that the loser of the Alberta series would for getting in. Based on the way it is shaking out any way: Pacific: winner of Innisfail/Stony Plain West: South East Prairie Thunder Central: ACH playoff champion (Hamilton (already qualified as host) or Brantford (became ACH representative to next round - the Renwick Cup with no opponent and that would be the last Central region qualifier) East:(not used) Atlantic: Haut Madawaska Panthers Host: Dundas Real McCoys Hockey Canada's standard practice at the Major Junior, Junior, and Midget levels has the league finalist qualify for the next level tournament when the host of the next level tournament earned the qualifying spot for that league or tournament by winning a playoff or tournament. Another factor would be that Brantford played in a four team senior AAA league and are going through the qualifying process in the league playoffs. Granted the ACHW is a league but it only has two teams and they played in the hopes of saving Senior AAA in Alberta. The whole situation is getting sadder each year with fewer and fewer teams participating and two teams pulling out during the year. Having two host teams this year threw a couple of monkey wrenches into the qualifying process, but there should have been a plan in place for what the spots were going to be for this year due to one less qualifying spot available to non-host teams to begin with.
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Post by Doug Mathieson on Mar 12, 2020 7:03:18 GMT -5
Actually ACHW is not a league. Hockey Canada requires three teams to make a league
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Post by naitch on Mar 12, 2020 8:06:16 GMT -5
Why would 2 make sense? Last year Alberta should’ve got the 3 team spot With a team drop out as it was Alberta hosting but gave it to rosetown. Now it would go back to 3 teams from one province? Change the rule what has always been done and now go back to it? Dumb. You must be a Stony Plain fan. How is the AAA league in Alberta even a league? 2 teams...c'mon...give your head a shake.
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Post by hockeydad on Mar 12, 2020 10:24:31 GMT -5
No not a stony plain fan but a fan of senior hockey in Alberta. Alberta and Ontario have been playing in leagues with 5/6 teams battling through a season and then grinding playoffs and THEN provincials. Meanwhile the other provinces either get a spot cause they have no other teams to play or have a best of 3/5 series and they get to go. That’s what I don’t like about the situation.
So yes it’s 2 teams this year but you can’t sir there and say give your head a shake when it was one of the best senior leagues prior to this year.
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Post by southoftheborder on Mar 12, 2020 15:34:54 GMT -5
Give Stony Plain and Innisfail credit for what they are trying to do. The are trying to save senior AAA hockey in Alberta. These are two teams that are what senior hockey is all about. They are part of their community and have contributed to their communities for over 70 years each. Stony Plain goes back to the 1930's and Innisfail back to 1947. They are a dying breed. Trying to keep things going year after year just raising enough to keep the team going from year to year. Granted there are senior AA teams in the province but the Allan Cup is something special. It is small town Canada whereas the Stanley Cup originally fit that role but it became professional and the Allan Cup was created to take its place as the amateur championship. This is something that goes back to the roots of the game before the Hockey Night in Canada came to television. If they are down to two teams for a year or two so be it. It beats being down to no teams.
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Post by wade on Mar 12, 2020 15:44:34 GMT -5
Stony Plain & Inny are certainly not trying to save SR AAA hockey in Alberta. They’re both determined to pretend it’s not already dead for the sake of a steeply rebated opportunity to win what has become the weakest Allan Cup ever awarded.
And as I say that...I also have to add...seems absolutely absurd to expect to operate this tournament in the midst of the COVID-19 Pandemic.
I fully expect a complete cancellation of the tournament given the expected trajectory of this situation.
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