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Post by ianmac65 on Feb 5, 2012 22:07:56 GMT -5
Forwards Lance Herauf Brad Herauf Ryan Lang Chad Richardson Drew Istace Jason Weitzel Grant Selinger Dustin Cooney Branden Sentes Allan Scott Peter Schaefer Mike Sillinger Bear Trapp Chris Hahn Bret Peppler Neil Kodman Brett Parker Jamie Miller Chance Olsen Josh Garbutt Justin Keller Trevor Weisgerber
Defence Cory Unser Ryan Kuntz Mike Herauf Jamie Heward Ryan Bender Hugh Hamilton Luke Fritshaw Kyle Deck David Brown Kerry Ellis-Toddington
Goalies Dave Perkin Jeremy Ellis Rob McVicar Aren Miller
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Post by sasky99 on Feb 6, 2012 13:22:01 GMT -5
Defence looks real good. Heward, Deck, Bender, Hamilton, and Fritshaw are deadly and all big.
I wonder if Schaefer and Sillinger will actually play or if they were "hope they can play" signings.
Don't know how the roster compares to the rest of Canada so i look forward to seeing some AAA hockey action in southern Saskatchewan.
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Post by wade on Feb 6, 2012 17:50:50 GMT -5
Defence looks real good. Heward, Deck, Bender, Hamilton, and Fritshaw are deadly and all big. I wonder if Schaefer and Sillinger will actually play or if they were "hope they can play" signings. Don't know how the roster compares to the rest of Canada so i look forward to seeing some AAA hockey action in southern Saskatchewan. Don't know about Sillinger but the expectation is Schaefer will play at some point. If he wants to...he can be a game changer. His puck skills were easily noticable at the NHL level.
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Post by wade on Feb 6, 2012 17:56:39 GMT -5
And I will add this...If Heward plays...its a very good bet Sillinger will play.
They've been good buddies for a long time going back to playing with the Pats.
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Post by LOTW on Feb 7, 2012 8:08:20 GMT -5
JUST MY OPINION BUT I DONT LIKE SEEING TEAMS PICK UP ALL THESE LAST MINUTE ADDITIONS OF EX NHL PLAYERS, ESPECIALLY ONES WITH HUNDREDS OF NHL GAMES PLAYED.
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Post by naitch on Feb 7, 2012 8:56:09 GMT -5
JUST MY OPINION BUT I DONT LIKE SEEING TEAMS PICK UP ALL THESE LAST MINUTE ADDITIONS OF EX NHL PLAYERS, ESPECIALLY ONES WITH HUNDREDS OF NHL GAMES PLAYED. Disagree...i think this is what separates Senior Hockey AAA in Canada from the other hockey offerings. The mix of young & older players all with different backgrounds & experience. It also puts butts in the seats.
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Post by sasky99 on Feb 7, 2012 9:18:34 GMT -5
JUST MY OPINION BUT I DONT LIKE SEEING TEAMS PICK UP ALL THESE LAST MINUTE ADDITIONS OF EX NHL PLAYERS, ESPECIALLY ONES WITH HUNDREDS OF NHL GAMES PLAYED. Disagree...i think this is what separates Senior Hockey AAA in Canada from the other hockey offerings. The mix of young & older players all with different backgrounds & experience. It also puts butts in the seats. Heward played with Balgonie the last two years for provincials. The big disadvantage for Rosetown and Balgonie is they don't have a AAA league in Saskatchewan so they play in "B" leagues that have import rules (max 3 elite imports- jr A or higher, and 3 non-elite imports or exceptions). They have no choice but to pick up players for their provincial run to compete. That's why you'll see them both take advantage of the affiliate rule. Balgonie just happen to have a couple NHL'ers fall into their lap but let's see if they actually play. Heward did play an exhibition game already this year. Sillinger will be dependent on his job with the Oilers is what i understand. Schaefer is the unknown to me but it looks like Wade knows someone that says he's playing at some point.
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Post by wade on Feb 7, 2012 12:31:39 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about last minute additions....
On one hand...I do NOT believe that just because a player was on a SR AAA roster in October/November or December should it mean he gets a locked roster spot for the remainder of the year. I feel strongly there should be a process through which a SR AAA team can improve their talent level as they go along through a season.
On the other hand....when these last minute additions are actually property of SR AA teams and only afforded to SR AAA teams as affiliates...well...thats obviously an unfair advantadge they have over the teams in Ontario.
And lets be honest...thats where KENORA is coming from. He has a point. No doubt.
Id suggest its up to Ontario to catch up to the times, maybe?
Still though...all 3 Sask SR AAA teams are clearly creating All Star teams from all around their province. Exactly hpow I predicted it would happen when the affiliation rules were changed.
The affiliation rule, as it is, is bogus.
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Post by naitch on Feb 7, 2012 14:15:49 GMT -5
The only potential place for Ontario teams to affiliate with is the WOAA (outlaw) league and that will never happen. The top teams in the WOAA league each have 2-3 players that could easily play & become valuable additions to any of the current MLH teams. However, many of these players don't want to play Senior AAA hockey for 1 reason or another.
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Post by wade on Feb 7, 2012 17:03:20 GMT -5
The only potential place for Ontario teams to affiliate with is the WOAA (outlaw) league and that will never happen. The top teams in the WOAA league each have 2-3 players that could easily play & become valuable additions to any of the current MLH teams. However, many of these players don't want to play Senior AAA hockey for 1 reason or another. And this is another reason why the current affiliation doesn't make any sense.
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Post by jimc on Feb 8, 2012 23:37:45 GMT -5
The OHA has a hard-on for the WOAA...they have since its inception, and have gone out of their way to piss all over it, and even sanction towns/rinks where these teams compete. Typical Brent Ladds midget power trip.
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Post by Curtis on Feb 9, 2012 7:46:56 GMT -5
Ontario is a pretty big province, no need for associations pissing all over other leagues ( even if you need a ladder to do so). I also wonder why there isnt more of an eastern association in Ontario closer to Ottawa? Lots of population, towns. I know the travel starts becoming an issue, but it is anywhere in Canada anyway.
Im talking an association, not just a league under the former, a league like the WOAA! Minor hockey has the ontario minor hockey association and ottawa district hockey association which actually dont play off with each other! The Central ontario plays west ontario for all ontario championships and Ottawa plays their own?
The OHA would be just looking at the cash cow going after the woaa, nothing more. The woaa is a lot bigger than just senior hockey as well, women, kids, baseball hockey etc. All around solid organization thats not afraid if a "little" piss.
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Post by hockeypops on Feb 16, 2012 22:38:59 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about last minute additions.... On one hand...I do NOT believe that just because a player was on a SR AAA roster in October/November or December should it mean he gets a locked roster spot for the remainder of the year. I feel strongly there should be a process through which a SR AAA team can improve their talent level as they go along through a season. On the other hand....when these last minute additions are actually property of SR AA teams and only afforded to SR AAA teams as affiliates...well...thats obviously an unfair advantadge they have over the teams in Ontario. And lets be honest...thats where KENORA is coming from. He has a point. No doubt. Id suggest its up to Ontario to catch up to the times, maybe? Still though...all 3 Sask SR AAA teams are clearly creating All Star teams from all around their province. Exactly hpow I predicted it would happen when the affiliation rules were changed. The affiliation rule, as it is, is bogus. I have a couple comments....... We, in Balgonie, started creating a AAA team last July and had a solid base of about 17-20 guys that had 100% committed to our team (not our league team but for AAA provincials) knowing that we might not have anyone to play against all year. We also knew we would pick up other guys along the way to fill out the rest of the roster plus we would have 5-6 other players from our league team who would be in the "bull-pen" if we needed them. This was before we knew of the new affiliation rule as we already had it narrowed down to a couple teams who we would affiliate with (old rule) so i don't believe we have created an "all-star" team like you mentioned. 80% of the players listed above would have been on this years team regardless of the new affiliation rule or not. The new rule allowed our guys to go play on other senior teams so as to get 25-30 competitive games in. Before knowing the new affiliate rule, lots of guys were willing to sacrifice playing those games with their "league teams" so as to play AAA. We actually found teams for some guys to go play on. Yes, the new affiliation rule has helped, no doubt as we were able to add a few more guys to the list that we might not have been able to before. Aren't we no different than the Manitoba teams though?? Also, i feel at times that Rosetown and Balgonie are at a disadvantage because of the import rules in the leagues they play in. I am assuming that the AAA leagues across the country don't have import rules even close to what we have here, if any at all. I look forward to seeing if the small town Saskatchewan teams can compete with the big boys! Actually, when it comes to imports, there is a rule from hockey Canada that limits the number of imports to 6. That rule applies to all Sr Mens Teams in Canada. Sask Hockey has made it's own rule about 6 imports and only 3 can be Jr A or above. In Alberta at least, the rule stands as 6 imports and no restriction to previous playing status, so lets not talk about unfair. What's unfair is Saskatchewan enjoys one of the largest groups of Senior Hockey Teams (A, AA, B, C, D) of any province, therefore the availability of talent for a AAA team to affiliate from is almost 4-1 over Alberta for choice. Amazing how you think building a team is about affiliates playing elsewhere to get playing time for the season then coming to AAA. How about going out and getting 2 or 3 more communities committed to AAA and form your own league. I guess coming from Alberta and watching a AAA league compete hard all year, fighting to get talented players and adding the odd affiliate, if any, at the end of the season, leaves me a little short on thinking Rosetown and Balgonie are at a disadvantage. You, as teams, chose to be AAA, do you think that comes with a special right of passage? Perhaps it's time you stopped thinking as a team and considered the bigger picture and think as a league of AAA teams all aimed at the common goal. If their isn't a league, form one, if there isn't enough teams, help other communities see the light. I'm hard pressed to believe that a place like Saskatoon, with all the talent that lives there, couldn't form a AAA team and find sponsors or PA or for that matter North Battleford or Speedy Creek, all great hockey communities with loads of local talent that played Jr and above hockey, and that's just the North and West. Get any two of these communities with what you already have and you have a league of talent fighting for a title and the chance to represent the province at the AAA level. But you at a disadvantage - hardly!!!
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Post by wade on Feb 16, 2012 23:39:46 GMT -5
'Pops'...
The "import rules" Balgonie is referring to are league specific clauses imparted onto select SHA SR Hockey leagues via their own governing bodies and voting delegates. Similar to how the NPHL, here in Alberta, voted to not allow registered 'AAA' teams to participate in their playoffs...some SASK leagues levy certain restrictions on the recruitment demographics each team can utilize for the purpose of playing league games.
I'm not certain...but...I might also venture to guess these rules carry over into at least some of the lower tier Provincial playoffs, as well.
Any-Hoo...hardly my coop to peck my beak...but...sometimes a rooster can't help from flocking the mother hen.
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Post by hockeypops on Feb 17, 2012 0:58:52 GMT -5
Actually, when it comes to imports, there is a rule from hockey Canada that limits the number of imports to 6. That rule applies to all Sr Mens Teams in Canada. Sask Hockey has made it's own rule about 6 imports and only 3 can be Jr A or above. In Alberta at least, the rule stands as 6 imports and no restriction to previous playing status, so lets not talk about unfair. What's unfair is Saskatchewan enjoys one of the largest groups of Senior Hockey Teams (A, AA, B, C, D) of any province, therefore the availability of talent for a AAA team to affiliate from is almost 4-1 over Alberta for choice. Amazing how you think building a team is about affiliates playing elsewhere to get playing time for the season then coming to AAA. How about going out and getting 2 or 3 more communities committed to AAA and form your own league. I guess coming from Alberta and watching a AAA league compete hard all year, fighting to get talented players and adding the odd affiliate, if any, at the end of the season, leaves me a little short on thinking Rosetown and Balgonie are at a disadvantage. You, as teams, chose to be AAA, do you think that comes with a special right of passage? Perhaps it's time you stopped thinking as a team and considered the bigger picture and think as a league of AAA teams all aimed at the common goal. If their isn't a league, form one, if there isn't enough teams, help other communities see the light. I'm hard pressed to believe that a place like Saskatoon, with all the talent that lives there, couldn't form a AAA team and find sponsors or PA or for that matter North Battleford or Speedy Creek, all great hockey communities with loads of local talent that played Jr and above hockey, and that's just the North and West. Get any two of these communities with what you already have and you have a league of talent fighting for a title and the chance to represent the province at the AAA level. But you at a disadvantage - hardly!!! Hey Pops, all good points but that hasn't happened and probably won't but really, hasn't nothing to do with this year! Yes, IMO there is a disadvantage THIS year because Rosetown & Balgonie don't play in a AAA league and yes, are hampered by limited import rules. I know that's their own fault and maybe disadvantage isn't the word i should use? Also, you are correct in the fact there are more senior teams in Saskatchewan than any other province but if you think there is a high number of AAA players to pick from, you're kidding yourself. Balgonie plays in one of the best leagues, QVHL, in the province and basically walks over the other teams in the league. Balgonie's is 75-5-1 in the last three seasons in league play, playing with 10-12 guys the majority of the time. Rosetown, same thing....i believe they are on a 55 game winning streak and are beating the other teams in their league by 15 - 20 goals some nights. I wish there was a AAA league in the province and maybe one day there will be. IMO, i don't believe it will happen because i don't think the financial support would be there. Oh and all those places you mentioned that should get a Senior AAA team barely support their junior teams so don't see a lot of support for a senior team. Hey, this is all new to us so we plan on a great experience and we'll "live and learn" regarding every situation we come across! Later dudes! Most teams in the Chinook League run on far less than people think and the lure of AAA hockey and the Allan Cup has its own way of attracting high end players. Yes it takes a brave soul to start a AAA team but having lived in Saskatoon for 15 years or so and having traveled the province on business, I stand by my words that at least 2 other centers could handle and support AAA hockey. You need to get creative in marketing and if you can get one or two large sponsors and find a way for 60 or so smaller ones, it can be done. 22 years ago in Saskatoon I helped with the fund raising for a Peewee Team and we regularly raised $15000 a year then. Just think about what a Chinook League competes against - for Bentley, Innisfail and SL they sit on top of a WHL team in a population 1/3 of Saskatoon's and an AJHL team 50 KM south plus 2 Jr b teams and 2 NHL teams that have hundreds of local ticket holders. Fort and Stony sit on top of the Oilers, an Edmonton WHL club, 4 Jr B teams and 3 Jr A teams, and their local population base is under 30,000. Long odds but they have found a way to do it and yes they don't have big budgets or pay players hundreds of dollars a game. In addition they all lose players to Saskatchewan because they won't pay them $500 or more per weekend plus expenses. Can't say that's whats paid for a fact, just know what I've heard from team managers. Stony puts on a hockey school to help with funds. Bentley and Innisfail have very successful Golf Tournaments that do well for them and every team has now started publishing game books, some have advertising on their team pants and jerseys. In other words, to have the money to run a team, you need to get creative and when you do, there are ways to raise the money - it's just not easy. Whether it's Saskatchewan or Alberta - it can be done. I speak from 1st hand knowledge in both provinces.
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