ALLAN CUP 2022 ? Tournament ?

[Deleted]

Yeah, unfortunately, they had the last two games of the year for them canceled due to roster-related and mechanical-related. It's sad to see a league treat one of its teams this way. I would imagine whatever went down wasn't pretty. Hopefully, they can play in the playoffs. I also hope that if they are appealing, it doesn't take too long to get in this weekend. Be sad to see a team gear up for AC and have something to play for, then have that taken away, then get told okay your a AA team, then having to tell everyone your playing for a possible AA provincial championship, just to have again it ripped out from under you. Gotta love the politics in this game sometimes

[IceMan_M]

My understanding from the hop was Inny was a AAA team playing AA to have regular games. From the beginning (and stated in a Ranchland post), they were to only compete in the regular season, and then let the remaining teams play out the playoffs between themselves at the AA level. While this was to happen, Inny would compete against any remaining AAA teams if applicable. So not sure where it went wrong in terms of their standing as a AA/AAA team, I can't comment on that, but I know the above to be correct and accurate otherwise.

Hope this helps.

[Deleted]

i think everyone was running under that assumption. something went wrong obviously communication wise between the various organizations, league, and associations.

[gamer750]

So in a normal year the Allan Cup would be played one month from now, from what I see on TV all restrictions lifted, so when or will there be an AC ??

[Deleted]

From what i am hearing it would be pushed to july.

[dontcallitsenior]

Unless Innisfail wants to travel to Ontario to play the three teams there how could there possibly be an AC?

[Deleted]

I could be wrong, but I think there are 2 AAA teams playing in Manitoba just in a lower league like Innisfail. Out east it wouldn't be illogical to see the Haut Madawaska team come out of that region if they win provincials. So that is potentially 3 plus a host and the Ontario winner would make 5. You could run a tournament with 5 teams, even 4 at the least it basically happens every weekend in hockey. I just don't see Innisfail paying their way there unless the host or hockey Canada can get funding together to cover a large portion of travel and expenses.

[wade]

Feb 27, 2022 20:00:08 GMT -5 @ac95 said:

the RHL is having mega identity issues. There is lots of drama currently witt many teams having issues on how the league was run and is being run etc. since HA listed inny as a AA the assumption by many in league was they would run for AC as in June of 21’ they registered as AAA. HA had other ideas as according to them from Hockey Canada AC would not go ahead, as a result I guess HA took it upon themselves to just register them as AA without informing teams until last minute. I’ve checked bylaws and from my view it looks like inny either got kicked out of league as it looks like the pres and vp are not the same as when league started? Not sure how that works given a leadership change in any league can’t happen until annual AGM meetings in may. My assumption is teams didn’t like getting beat and are just being sore losers?? Anyway looks like a long battle to keep team in league my be underway. Stay tuned looks interesting

[wade]

Mar 10, 2022 11:52:56 GMT -5 @ac95 said:

I could be wrong, but I think there are 2 AAA teams playing in Manitoba just in a lower league like Innisfail. Out east it wouldn't be illogical to see the Haut Madawaska team come out of that region if they win provincials. So that is potentially 3 plus a host and the Ontario winner would make 5. You could run a tournament with 5 teams, even 4 at the least it basically happens every weekend in hockey. I just don't see Innisfail paying their way there unless the host or hockey Canada can get funding together to cover a large portion of travel and expenses.

I would say The RHL isn’t the one with identity issues. The Ranchland League has never promoted itself as anything beyond a small town/community focused FUN league. For many years they’ve featured teams from Rez’ communities in southern Alberta along with a couple loyal league members.

Inny had nowhere else to play, no success in enticing anyone else to help them restore SR AAA in Alberta and they were desperate to find a loophole allowing them to remain on the Allan Cup map (even though there is no Allan Cup)

The problem isn’t with the RHL.

The problem is with Inny refusal to admit it was actually them who fucked up things in Alberta SR AAA.

[Deleted]

The team that messed it up was Lacombe. You cant pay players to play in any of these leagues, it's just not financially feasible. Plus you add in equipment cost which players begin to expect and it adds up. Innisfail and Stony played each other 10 times 2 years ago. Who wants to do that again? I don't think anyone would want to play the same team 7 times in the season plus 7 more times come playoffs. It makes sense why both Innisfail and stony said no to a 2 team league. I wouldn't call it a loophole, it's done all the time in other provinces, what makes hockey Alberta different?

The problem does in fact fall to the league because at the end of the day they allowed a team that is 3A to play in their league knowing full well the talent that comes with that. Get better is my simple response, recruit harder so you don't get stomped 13-0 or 8-1 every night. Don't turn around and say they are too good and kick them out for playing at a different level with RHL teams not being fully prepared to take them on. Sure their intention was to get back to the AC, they lost the final game in 19' and want redemption, who wouldn't? At the end of the day, Hockey Alberta needs to step in and clarify if they did indeed register Innisfail as a 2A or 3A team with hockey Canada regardless of what Innisfail did way back in June of 21'.

[rhl]

Mar 15, 2022 21:01:58 GMT -5 wade said:

Mar 10, 2022 11:52:56 GMT -5 @ac95 said:

I could be wrong, but I think there are 2 AAA teams playing in Manitoba just in a lower league like Innisfail. Out east it wouldn't be illogical to see the Haut Madawaska team come out of that region if they win provincials. So that is potentially 3 plus a host and the Ontario winner would make 5. You could run a tournament with 5 teams, even 4 at the least it basically happens every weekend in hockey. I just don't see Innisfail paying their way there unless the host or hockey Canada can get funding together to cover a large portion of travel and expenses.

I would say The RHL isn’t the one with identity issues. The Ranchland League has never promoted itself as anything beyond a small town/community focused FUN league. For many years they’ve featured teams from Rez’ communities in southern Alberta along with a couple loyal league members.

Inny had nowhere else to play, no success in enticing anyone else to help them restore SR AAA in Alberta and they were desperate to find a loophole allowing them to remain on the Allan Cup map (even though there is no Allan Cup)

The problem isn’t with the RHL.

The problem is with Inny refusal to admit it was actually them who fucked up things in Alberta SR AAA.

We (The RHL) have been following along with this thread and have no issues "clarifying" items that obviously need to be cleared up! As you have mentioned Wade - when Innisfail approached our league they had no place to play and we accepted them into our league under a very clear motion - "Innisfail would participate in regular season play but would NOT participate in play-offs or provincials" - Innisfail gladly accepted and made it very clear they had no intention of ever participating in league play-offs or provincials and their sole intention was to declare AAA and head to the Allen Cup (many social media and news reports can be searched to back this up)

And for further clarification - The RHL knew very well that each of it's member teams would probably lose most games (if not all which it turned out) to Innisfail, but the hope was by having the tough competition, the quality of the games would be better bringing recognition to the league and a multitude of other benefits going forward. We feel this goal was achieved... an interesting side note here as well - RHL member teams released players to Innisfail (high end players that wanted the opportunity to play for the Allan Cup) - those releases were granted.

So... we feel bad for what has happened to Innisfail but at the same time had hoped they would stand by their original acceptance into our league. AC95 mentions the league "has identity issues" - our league has never been stronger as we have worked hard (every member team) to stand up for what is right. We have had many "emergency" meetings going so far as to remove the President and Vice President from their positions and are very excited to see what the future holds!

   
    

[southoftheborder]

Thanks to the RHL for giving a clarification on the issue.

Now I have one question, has Hockey Canada issued a list of teams that have declared as Senior AAA (or announced a new deadline to file)?

[dontcallitsenior]

Mar 17, 2022 5:40:41 GMT -5 southoftheborder said:

Thanks to the RHL for giving a clarification on the issue.

Now I have one question, has Hockey Canada issued a list of teams that have declared as Senior AAA (or announced a new deadline to file)?

I don't think Hockey Canada knows Sr hockey exists. How many Sr teams are there across Canada and how many are under their umbrella.. four?

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Mar 17, 2022 8:46:01 GMT -5 dontcallitsenior said:

Mar 17, 2022 5:40:41 GMT -5 southoftheborder said:

Thanks to the RHL for giving a clarification on the issue.

Now I have one question, has Hockey Canada issued a list of teams that have declared as Senior AAA (or announced a new deadline to file)?

I don't think Hockey Canada knows Sr hockey exists. How many Sr teams are there across Canada and how many are under their umbrella.. four?

yes thank you to the RHL for clarifying. Good to hear the league take a stance. and as far as i know there is just the 3 in Ontario and the Alberta team so yeah 4. 

[formerplayer]

Wade, continuing to thump the drum of your team isn't helping senior hockey move on from the direction the Generals led. Continually denying this is part of why senior hockey can't fix itself. Stony, and even moreso Innisfail, couldn't compete with those budgets.

Thanks to the RHL for clarifying but that just brings up more questions. Why were there 'emergency meetings' and removal of executive outside of an AGM which isn't in any bylaws? Your bylaws states that the forfeiting teams must compensate Innisfail. How did three teams all of a sudden coincidentally have issues making these games happen? If Stony or Innisfail approached the leagues as AA teams (because HA says there is no AAA tier this season) would the leagues still deny them because they are 'Good AA' teams? Stony wanted in the NCHL.

Something doesn't smell right.

I hope we can all repair the damages done but if leagues are canning executive mid-way through, teams aren't playing agreed upon games, and Hockey Alberta isn't communicating whether AAA exists or not, how can a team be faulted for filing AAA June 1 (the Horse Lake Rule) when Hockey Canada and Hockey Alberta later decide they don't have a AAA tier this season for competition? I know nothing but if everyone followed their own rules, Innisfail would not play in the RHL playoffs (as clarified above) and Hockey Alberta could just declare them Provincial Champs and Hockey Canada could make a statement saying Innisfail is the Allan Cup winner (as the only team submitting within the dates) or the Showcase teams did file in time and the winner of that and Innisfail can sort out their own Challenge Cup approach old school.

Dontcallitsenior really nails the point well about HC not knowing Sr exists. Something doesn't add up and pinning baggage on certain teams is not helping Senior hockey move on in a healthy direction.