ranul
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Post by ranul on Jan 25, 2022 18:47:09 GMT -5
if I was in charge of the Allan Cup, here are the rules I would have 1 Any League with four or more AAA teams, the champion would receive a spot in the Allan cup 2 To help out with the cost of going to the Allan Cup, there will be a $1 charge added to the tickets for all league games that will be used to pay for the League champions cost of going 3 The teams that are not in League would go to a qualifying tournament 2019 Allan cup would have been a four-team tournament Haut-Madawaska Panthers (Atlantic representative) vs South East Prairie Thunder (Manitoba Champion) Lacombe Generals (host) Stoney Creek Generals (Central-Allan Cup Hockey playoff champion) Innisfail Eagles(Allan cup west runner up )
that is just my idea
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Post by dontcallitsenior on Jan 26, 2022 11:25:57 GMT -5
I think any team playing Sr hockey in Canada should be able to play for the Allan Cup. They would have to declare their intentions before the season starts and the roster freezes Feb 1. Pay a fee for them to be entered. Compete against any other team in their region who also applies. Whether it be within their own league, against another league or both.
Hockey Canada is doing something wrong when there are hundreds of Sr teams across Canada and only a very small handful want to be associated with them.
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Post by gamer750 on Jan 28, 2022 15:40:43 GMT -5
Will there be an Allan Cup this year/April 2022 ?? and if so where??
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 28, 2022 17:04:31 GMT -5
Will there be an Allan Cup this year/April 2022 ?? and if so where?? It's supposed to be held in Dundas. Hamilton was mentioned as a co-host but they opted to sit out the season earlier this month.
I have only heard on the Innisfail Eagles declaring for Senior AAA besides the members of Allan Cup Hockey which means four declared teams this year.
With the delay in play that ACH is having this year, it may end up being May for the Allan Cup this year, if it isn't cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 16:48:52 GMT -5
MAy is too short to fundraise and get sponsors for a major tournament. HC isnt willing to cover all funds for a tourney. Likely a july time is more reasonable.
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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 27, 2022 6:22:05 GMT -5
I think any team playing Sr hockey in Canada should be able to play for the Allan Cup. They would have to declare their intentions before the season starts and the roster freezes Feb 1. Pay a fee for them to be entered. Compete against any other team in their region who also applies. Whether it be within their own league, against another league or both. Hockey Canada is doing something wrong when there are hundreds of Sr teams across Canada and only a very small handful want to be associated with them. This is pretty similar to what is actually done already. Teams usually declare by the end of August with Alberta requiring an end of June or July declaration of Senior AAA status. The deadline is hardly a firm one.
Teams come and go based on who is hosting the event where a team has a free or easy ride to a tournament that is nearby. Some lower level senior teams will declare Senior AAA and put together a better roster and take a run a the Cup. Like four New Brunswick teams forming a senior AAA league and declaring in 2017 when it was held in Bouctouche NB. The host team earned a spot and one of the other spots went to the league champion in lieu of an Atlantic playoff with a Newfoundland team and that fact that the Eastern regional spot wasn't used due to the lack of a Quebec qualifier. Similar things were done in 2018 and 2019 with the Bethune Bulldogs getting a free ride to the tournament in Rosetown SK and a team from Kelowna registering (and then withdrawing) for Senior AAA for the tournament held in Lacombe, AB again due to the lack of a Quebec team.
Senior AAA is a costly endeavor, most of the teams playing at the senior AAA level outside of Ontario are teams in towns with much smaller population bases and are usually the only high calibre hockey in the community as opposed to having a Major Junior or Junior A team in the community. The host team of the Allan Cup is usually responsible to cover travel cost (transport and hotel) to the tournament.
One major issue with Allan Cup qualifying and then having the tournament is these aren't high school kids. These are guys will full time jobs and families. Many times they already lose time at work for a road game during the regular season or playing games to become eligible to play in the provincial tournament. (BC requires at least 6 games to be played to qualify for the provincial tournament) Add in having to take vacation time for a provincial or regional tournament and then needing more time off for the Allan Cup.
Look at the former East-West Allan Cup format. Provincial tournament then two or three series against teams from other provinces, usually it would be done to reduce travel along the idea of the present regional qualifying BC vs Alberta and Saskatchewan vs Manitoba with the winners meeting for the Western championship (think a trip from Vancouver to Winnipeg). The Atlantic region would usually have the four provinces playing off among each other. That gets expensive when most teams have to fly to and from Newfoundland. Quebec would have its champion. Ontario would have multiple champions as you had the OHA, Hockey Northwestern Ontario, and the former Ottawa District (now Hockey Eastern Ontario).
Any way an Allan Cup gets done it is expensive. It would be nice if major sponsors helped with the event such as airlines, major hotel chains to help with travel and a sports network broadcast the event. Have them being naming sponsors for the regional tournaments and have those tournaments along the idea of the Royal Bank Cup but have the country broken up into 2 groups and have a round robin with a championship game to determine east and west champions and the two champions meeting in a best-of-three or five series in one location based on the qualifying teams.
The pandemic could potentially be the final nail in the casket or it could be a chance at a new birth for the tournament.
Senior hockey is healthy in some regions of Canada such as Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario. It is getting stronger in Quebec and New Brunswick but still needs to grow. Newfoundland and British Columbia are treading water but have rich traditions in senior hockey. Nova Scotia and PEI are two provinces where there is little to anything beyond beer leagues. Nova Scotia has enough university and junior programs that I have always been surprised that senior hockey is not more prevalent in the province with players graduating and aging out of those levels. The population base in PEI makes a senior AAA team a challenge under the best of circumstances but a NB-NS-PEI regional league could give some of the better players a chance to compete at the Senior AAA level. Newfoundland has enough teams that operate but infighting has been an issue there with the travel cost being prohibitive for participation in a regional league. The fans are there, look at the support the St. John's Maple Leafs and St. John's Ice Caps had and the Newfoundland Growlers get. St. John's is closer to London, England than it is London, Ontario. The ferry to Nova Scotia is an option (but it's 800+km to the ferry from St. John's) and then add travel time to the destination (Mapquest list a trip from St. John's to Halifax as 21+ hours one way).
Hockey Canada has been very hands off on the Allan Cup and it needs to step up to save or sure up a 110+ year old tradition. Funny how it's the oldest national championship under its' jurisdiction but it is the most ignore. (I don't want to get started on that topic as I have several rants on that topic on this board)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 11:31:06 GMT -5
I like the idea of east vs. west. A lot of teams have an issue like travel, as mentioned above. Another concept floating around AB is making one massive senior league with north, south, and central division. Each team would play each other once unless in the division, which would be min 4 times. So in AB, you would have the North peace league, ranchland league, north-central league, and sask Alta league form 3 divisions. You would still keep playoffs and provincials while leaving the decision to compete for a national championship up to the individual teams.
Coming back to the AC, it's a matter for HC to decide if it wants it. I like the idea of a corporate sponsor that could make such a huge impact and help many teams figure out what they want to do.
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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 28, 2022 16:06:53 GMT -5
I like the idea of east vs. west. A lot of teams have an issue like travel, as mentioned above. Another concept floating around AB is making one massive senior league with north, south, and central division. Each team would play each other once unless in the division, which would be min 4 times. So in AB, you would have the North peace league, ranchland league, north-central league, and sask Alta league form 3 divisions. You would still keep playoffs and provincials while leaving the decision to compete for a national championship up to the individual teams. Coming back to the AC, it's a matter for HC to decide if it wants it. I like the idea of a corporate sponsor that could make such a huge impact and help many teams figure out what they want to do. Alberta already something set up at Senior AA with league champions and a host meeting for the provincial championship.. May be they could do something a little different from what Newfoundland does and have the current year champion be the provincial representative in Allan Cup qualifying.
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