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NFLD
Jan 17, 2013 12:51:43 GMT -5
Post by wade on Jan 17, 2013 12:51:43 GMT -5
I know it is frustrating for fans on this site to see what is going on in NFL but until Hockey Canada steps in and mandates some sort of yearly play-down for an a NFL rep nothing is going to change. Even if HC did force a play-down I think the island would drop out of the AC because there is too much money to be made to cut their schedule back. I agree with other posts on this site about having a Senior Committee that could help set up rules of play for the AC. I'd say your about 90% correct, suggesting Newfoundland would "drop out" if they had to abide by the same rules as everyone else. Consider: The NLSHL is the premiere league in Newfoundland and there is NOT much else going as far as SR hockey goes throughout the maritimes. This league is...in all probability...the ONLY realistic source for producing some semblance of Allan Cup participation from the Atlantic Region. With that being said...its not technically impossible to find someone else to come from somewhere in that region. Halifax sent a half-assed squad to Stony Plain in 07'. In 04' New Brunswick went. Truro was a solid participant not too long ago. I believe Truro is a Nove Scotia town, yes? Just sayin. Either way... Its mostly moot at the moment. One thing is for certain...even though Hockey Canada is supposed to be the "commitee" preciding over the Allan Cup...your 100% correct when you say a committe IS needed. The disconnect is alarmingly obvious between Allan Cup teams and Hockey Canada. Leadership with a hard line but proper mandate is needed. Very much.
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NFLD
Jan 17, 2013 13:37:02 GMT -5
Post by hockeypops on Jan 17, 2013 13:37:02 GMT -5
If we all know that Nfld has an unfair advantage then wouldn't it be fair for Ontario, Man, Sask, Alta and BC to be allowed to pick any 10 players as affiliates from within their own league or in other words an all star team. Wouldn't that then be a fair and level playing field? Of course it would also go against everything most participating teams and the Allan Cup stand for but that quirk for Nfld doesn't seem to ring true with the powers to be at HC.
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NFLD
Jan 17, 2013 19:32:29 GMT -5
Post by wade on Jan 17, 2013 19:32:29 GMT -5
If we all know that Nfld has an unfair advantage then wouldn't it be fair for Ontario, Man, Sask, Alta and BC to be allowed to pick any 10 players as affiliates from within their own league or in other words an all star team. Wouldn't that then be a fair and level playing field? Of course it would also go against everything most participating teams and the Allan Cup stand for but that quirk for Nfld doesn't seem to ring true with the powers to be at HC. I truly believe the affiliation issue is an easy fix. How? Eliminate affiliation, across the country, at the SR AAA level. Thats how. I think its a must. And I feel so strongly about it, that if the alternative(s) are: SR AAA teams USING affiliates. Or No SR AAA/Allan Cup what-so-ever. I would choose the latter. I think that if a team truly wants to represent itself as a "high end" Senior hockey club, seperate and distinguishable from all other levels of SR hockey...then it stands to reason they should not depend on lower level team for players. As it is right now...Way too many SR AAA teams are nothing more than a funnel which catches the run off each spring. And if thats all its going to be about...then whats the point? Might as well park the trophy in a closet somewhere and forget about it rather than disgrace its great tradition by glueing together BULLSHIT rosters from 3 or 4 or in some cases 9 different teams. And to be clear...this post is NOT a shot at Newfoundland. Its way bigger than that. Don't kid yourselves. This whole thing....coast to coast...needs big time changes. ASAP. Unless Hockey Canada and the SR AAA fraternity can collectively come to the neccesary changes...personally...Im pretty much done with it after this year.
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NFLD
Jan 18, 2013 9:08:27 GMT -5
Post by naitch on Jan 18, 2013 9:08:27 GMT -5
If we all know that Nfld has an unfair advantage then wouldn't it be fair for Ontario, Man, Sask, Alta and BC to be allowed to pick any 10 players as affiliates from within their own league or in other words an all star team. Wouldn't that then be a fair and level playing field? Of course it would also go against everything most participating teams and the Allan Cup stand for but that quirk for Nfld doesn't seem to ring true with the powers to be at HC. I truly believe the affiliation issue is an easy fix. How? Eliminate affiliation, across the country, at the SR AAA level. Thats how. I think its a must. And I feel so strongly about it, that if the alternative(s) are: SR AAA teams USING affiliates. Or No SR AAA/Allan Cup what-so-ever. I would choose the latter. I think that if a team truly wants to represent itself as a "high end" Senior hockey club, seperate and distinguishable from all other levels of SR hockey...then it stands to reason they should not depend on lower level team for players. As it is right now...Way too many SR AAA teams are nothing more than a funnel which catches the run off each spring. And if thats all its going to be about...then whats the point? Might as well park the trophy in a closet somewhere and forget about it rather than disgrace its great tradition by glueing together BULLSHIT rosters from 3 or 4 or in some cases 9 different teams. And to be clear...this post is NOT a shot at Newfoundland. Its way bigger than that. Don't kid yourselves. This whole thing....coast to coast...needs big time changes. ASAP. Unless Hockey Canada and the SR AAA fraternity can collectively come to the neccesary changes...personally...Im pretty much done with it after this year. I agree Wade. There has to be some sort of reform real quick in this country for Senior AAA hockey. As far as i'm concerned, the teams that battle in a league thru the year should be the teams that get a shot for the Allan. These slap a team together, declare AAA, play some exhibition games & affiliate 100 players from other teams teams should come up with their own "challenge cup" final playdown and tin-foil cup to play for.
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NFLD
Feb 6, 2013 8:32:39 GMT -5
Post by Curtis on Feb 6, 2013 8:32:39 GMT -5
This discussion is always on the table. It gets talked about to no end. Does it ever get discussed in a board room where a difference could be made?
We can bar room round table talk for ever, but where would we be able to "ever" read any comment or decision from a ( or THE ) board that ultimately can make a change to a ruling?
Just a thought, senior teams are allotted 35 players cards at the start of the season, January 10 cut to 25, then February 10 final roster of 25 that you have to take through playoffs.
Why not have the final roster at 30 players? Still carry the two dates of January and February 10 for releases, trades etc.
This would give a bit of breathing room so teams don't have to cut players trying to keep under the 25 in January hoping for a ringer between then and final roster.
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NFLD
Feb 6, 2013 10:50:06 GMT -5
Post by snoopy on Feb 6, 2013 10:50:06 GMT -5
Guys don't get me started!!!
In the last 5 years I have stolen my family's Florida vacation for something called SR AAA hockey. Today, I load the van, yes a Sienna and head to Florida for 2+weeks to reconnect with my kids and wife. I will watch Pointstreak and this site to know what goes on and maybe after a beer or four sound off on here Sunday night after this weeks action in Ont ACH as well as affiliates and other topics including playdowns. Watch for Ruffy's Rants on Sunday night.
Regards Tom
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NFLD
Feb 6, 2013 17:56:09 GMT -5
Post by wade on Feb 6, 2013 17:56:09 GMT -5
This discussion is always on the table. It gets talked about to no end. Does it ever get discussed in a board room where a difference could be made? We can bar room round table talk for ever, but where would we be able to "ever" read any comment or decision from a ( or THE ) board that ultimately can make a change to a ruling? Just a thought, senior teams are allotted 35 players cards at the start of the season, January 10 cut to 25, then February 10 final roster of 25 that you have to take through playoffs. Why not have the final roster at 30 players? Still carry the two dates of January and February 10 for releases, trades etc. This would give a bit of breathing room so teams don't have to cut players trying to keep under the 25 in January hoping for a ringer between then and final roster. The only thing I can see wrong with this suggestion is the frightening amount of common sense being thrown around. Hockey Canada would hate it.
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NFLD
Feb 16, 2013 17:53:36 GMT -5
Post by hockeyfan on Feb 16, 2013 17:53:36 GMT -5
if anyones interested you can watch game 1 of the playoffs between the eastlink ceebee stars and grand falls windsor cataracts live.streamit.ca/?player=52&eventid=1084 at 6:00 eastern time/in a couple of minutes
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NFLD
Feb 20, 2013 23:15:18 GMT -5
Post by jimc on Feb 20, 2013 23:15:18 GMT -5
ON get the shaft over affiliation, plus they play the toughest combination of AAA league/playoff games, as well. Even the great AAA teams out west play in AA or A leagues that do not factor into provincial playdowns. Simply register AAA, and they have to find way to accommodate you come provincial playdowns. In Sothern ON, if you want a shot at the AC, you MUST play in, and be accepted to play in, MLH. Period. The only federation with no at-large bids...a rule aimed specifically at the 'Renegade League' which is a rant for another day. So the same rule that excludes any teams that won't or can't play ball with the the wonderful folks in charge of ACH, also s responsible for screwing the ACH teams out of any chance at affiliation.
You'd think maybe the 'powers that be' might figure out, eventually, that this rule is doing serious harm to Ontario's chances of actually WINNING a Cup.
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NFLD
Feb 21, 2013 10:46:29 GMT -5
Post by naitch on Feb 21, 2013 10:46:29 GMT -5
ON get the shaft over affiliation, plus they play the toughest combination of AAA league/playoff games, as well. Even the great AAA teams out west play in AA or A leagues that do not factor into provincial playdowns. Simply register AAA, and they have to find way to accommodate you come provincial playdowns. In Sothern ON, if you want a shot at the AC, you MUST play in, and be accepted to play in, MLH. Period. The only federation with no at-large bids...a rule aimed specifically at the 'Renegade League' which is a rant for another day. So the same rule that excludes any teams that won't or can't play ball with the the wonderful folks in charge of ACH, also s responsible for screwing the ACH teams out of any chance at affiliation. You'd think maybe the 'powers that be' might figure out, eventually, that this rule is doing serious harm to Ontario's chances of actually WINNING a Cup. Very true JimC...
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