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Post by redwings32 on Jan 9, 2012 18:45:31 GMT -5
SHA has determined that Rosetown will play Lloydminster in the frist round of provincial playoffs, and Balgonie will receive the by. where this gets interesting is if Lloyd beats Rosetown, Balgonie receives a free pass to the Allan Cup.
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Post by hockeypops on Jan 9, 2012 23:53:53 GMT -5
SHA has determined that Rosetown will play Lloydminster in the frist round of provincial playoffs, and Balgonie will receive the by. where this gets interesting is if Lloyd beats Rosetown, Balgonie receives a free pass to the Allan Cup. Is this one more Provincial Hockey Associations gone crazy. With Lloyd hosting, what's the point of giving them the opportunity to bump someone out. Makes no sense.
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Post by wade on Jan 10, 2012 8:59:19 GMT -5
I spoke to LBK management just before Christmas break and he talked about how they felt "the right thing to do" would be to give LBK the bye. Apparently at least one of the other SR AAA teams in SK didn't see it that way. And now...yes...the dumbest possible scenario is the one they ended up going with. I mean...who needs common sense when you have "Paper-Rock-Scissors" to resolve the ONE conflict of the entire seasons???!!! And with that being said...this might be the right decision for the rest of SR AAA hockey..for all the wrong reasons. Consider: LBK now gets a chance to eliminate one of the potentially strongest Allan Cup contenders before the tournament starts through the series with Rosetown. It will be a series between two terrific teams. Unfortunate that only one of them actually "must" win it. And yes...if LBK happens to knock off Rosetown...we will end up with 3 teams playing playoff games which the outcome(s) really don't matter to them. (LBK 2xs & Balgonie) Without question the most sensible alternative WAS for Balgonie & Rosetown to play-off...giving LBK a 1rst round bye...and then a series to determine the SK SR AAA Champion with the Allan Cup berth locked. But...as is often the case...the most sensible alternative takes a back seat to backroom bullshit....and...Paper-Rock-Scissors.
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Post by sasky on Jan 11, 2012 1:04:45 GMT -5
SHA has had a love affair with the Border Kings for years. For sure the "Kings" skewed the draw this way. They don't want Rosetown in the Allan Cup. So now they have 2 rounds t get their way. Total joke, just as SHA is every year in every level of Senior. There always has been and always will be major amounts of favoritism on behalf of SHA
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Post by sasky99 on Jan 11, 2012 9:21:37 GMT -5
SHA has had a love affair with the Border Kings for years. For sure the "Kings" skewed the draw this way. They don't want Rosetown in the Allan Cup. So now they have 2 rounds t get their way. Total joke, just as SHA is every year in every level of Senior. There always has been and always will be major amounts of favoritism on behalf of SHA I don't believe that's the case this time. What i'm hearing out of SHA is that they want the AAA Provincial final to mean something because it hasn't in a couple years. This is the best way to do it. Rosetown is the central location so they were playing in the first round no matter what. Rosetown and Balgonie are seen as the two strongest teams in the province so SHA has given Balgonie the bye and believe Rosetown will beat Lloyd in the best of 3 semi final. Then we have a best of 5 prov final between Rosetown and Balgonie for all the marbles. Now when organizations think they can "predict" what happens, that usually blows up in your face.
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Post by redwings32 on Jan 11, 2012 12:21:55 GMT -5
As per SHA, the only criteria they used when determining the draw was: "we stick to the criteria of distance first, non-league members second, and not playing someone in the first round that they did before. In senior AAA case this year only the first criteria applies." The actual distance difference according to google maps is 46km.
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Post by hockeypops on Jan 11, 2012 15:01:56 GMT -5
As per SHA, the only criteria they used when determining the draw was: "we stick to the criteria of distance first, non-league members second, and not playing someone in the first round that they did before. In senior AAA case this year only the first criteria applies." The actual distance difference according to google maps is 46km. I can appreciate that governing bodies need rules, but when they supercede common sense or are applied without thought or consideration to tainted results, it moves from a rule to bullshit. On the other hand, it appears the rule was made to handle AA Teams and has no considered application to AAA hockey and an Allan Cup hosting team, in which case the rules needs ammending to not have this kind of a ridiculous situation. Perhaps a round robin format with each team playing 2 games against each other and the top team of Balgoni or Rosetown moving on might be a better plan when you have 3 teams in this situation.
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Post by wade on Jan 12, 2012 1:13:20 GMT -5
I think the notion some sort of "criteria" was carried over from the past is rather easily debunked...because...if there was an established protocol in place the final decision would have been rendered right around the time registration deadline(s) were done.
Instead...were into the New Year and only in the last week or so has everything been finalized (barring a protest of some sort).
So...either there was a debate on whether or not to maintain protocol....or...the protocol was invented from out of the clear blue sky.
Either way...it doesn't change the bottom line. This is utterly embrarrasing & altogether stupid.
And as for LBK having an "in" with SHA. There could be something to that...but...like I said before...I spoke with the GM of LBK just before the Christmas break and he told me...point blank....he felt HIS team should get the 1rst round bye with Balgonie & Rosetown playing off. Thats what LBK was pushing for. Other parties...were pushing for something else. Maybe he talks out of both sides of his mouth, you ask?
Well...maybe...but...he also told me he was looking for a goalie to replace Jody Lehman...and 2 weeks later...LBK has signed Kristofer Westblom. Take it for whats it worth to you.
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As far as basing anything on who/which team(s) appear to be "stronger"....Come hell or high water I would hope thats the LAST thing entering anyones' mind! Because that would just be a whole different flavor of dumb.
Haggling over who appears to be better than whom should certainly be left to those of us who are Arm Chair Experts here on the internets. Official governing bodies should be ruling based on the exact opposite of predictions...in that...they decide things in a manner which creates logical opportunities for formal games to be contested...there-by proving beyond the shadow of a doubt who is "best".
Anything less is a failure of due diligence, IMO.
And this...is an epic fail.
Shame on the SHA!
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Post by wade on Jan 12, 2012 1:33:02 GMT -5
And I have to just add one more thing...even though its so painfully obvious to everyone.... What level of ludicrous, low end, lunk-headed idiocy have we sunk to....when the "criteria" enables a team which LOSES a Provincial Series to advance to a National Championship (supposedly) Come on! Bass Ackwards. Brutal. Bush League. Bullshit.
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Post by redwings32 on Jan 12, 2012 10:00:57 GMT -5
Well said Wade!
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Post by sasky on Jan 12, 2012 23:54:11 GMT -5
SHA has been staunch with favortism towards the Border Queens for years. But, apparently, they have switched to Balgonie. Ridiculous, absurd, insane, call it what you want. SHA is a joke
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Post by munzie on Jan 13, 2012 2:03:43 GMT -5
And I have to just add one more thing...even though its so painfully obvious to everyone.... What level of ludicrous, low end, lunk-headed idiocy have we sunk to....when the "criteria" enables a team which LOSES a Provincial Series to advance to a National Championship (supposedly) Come on! Bass Ackwards. Brutal. Bush League. Bullshit. Wade, you have to give SHA credit for something. All this discussion has taken the spotlight away from the mighty Army that has sunken all the way down to second place, behind the third best (?) team from SA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 6:04:19 GMT -5
YES INDEED
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Post by wade on Jan 13, 2012 15:55:03 GMT -5
And I have to just add one more thing...even though its so painfully obvious to everyone.... What level of ludicrous, low end, lunk-headed idiocy have we sunk to....when the "criteria" enables a team which LOSES a Provincial Series to advance to a National Championship (supposedly) Come on! Bass Ackwards. Brutal. Bush League. Bullshit. Wade, you have to give SHA credit for something. All this discussion has taken the spotlight away from the mighty Army that has sunken all the way down to second place, behind the third best (?) team from SA. LBK is very strong this year. The one weakness they had was in net but Westblom will likely take care of the concern for them. They've handled the Gens this year. Hopefully The Army can come up with a strong spring push to get a shot at them again.
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Post by beezel on Jan 13, 2012 16:15:02 GMT -5
Wade, you have to give SHA credit for something. All this discussion has taken the spotlight away from the mighty Army that has sunken all the way down to second place, behind the third best (?) team from SA. LBK is very strong this year. The one weakness they had was in net but Westblom will likely take care of the concern for them. They've handled the Gens this year. Hopefully The Army can come up with a strong spring push to get a shot at them again. LBK are doing well this year, no doubt about it. I wonder how effective they would be if they were not in the position of being the AC hosts. It seems that their guaranteed entry to the AC tourny has brought them the good fortune of quality players seeking to affiliate for a chance to play for the big trophy. In fact, it appears most of their offense comes from their affiliates. Great for them, really. I don't begrudge their position this year, they've earned the right to host as much as any team. But, we'll see where they are at next year, when they have to compete for a spot to the AC and likely wont have the depth of affiliate players they are enjoying this season.
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