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Post by wade on May 9, 2014 16:13:22 GMT -5
I just shake my head at the non-stop bureaucratic meddling that goes on.
The rules should be the same for everyone in the Allan Cup.
Would this mean there would be haves and have nots?
Yep. That's how it goes, folks.
The Allan Cup should aspire to be awarded to the Best Senior Hockey team in Canada.
No asterisks. Nobody cares where the players came from...as long as they're all Canadian.
It wouldn't be an over-night, simple process to make it this way...but...by setting a singular & simple goal...you have a chance to achieve something.
What they're doing right now is...trying to please everyone. And its going on at all levels...team to team, league to league, province to province and season to season.
The end product is compromised...if not utterly chaotic.
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Post by Miffer on May 9, 2014 18:58:51 GMT -5
I always thought the import rule was start forward. If you were EVER registered outside the province you want to play in, after minor hockey, you are an import.
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Post by dexterbaggs@hotmail.com on May 10, 2014 14:23:52 GMT -5
Yes wade I can see where you are coming from ,but in the case of a NL team , they can`t build their team a year in advance , like I have said they (bous ) are only allowed to pick up 2 imports and they have a draft so they can`t go out like Dundas done and pick a team to compete for the league or allan cup ... That is only fair for the rest of the teams in our league , and as far as I know the rules for NL was layed down by the Allan cup exc.
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Post by jimc on May 12, 2014 8:36:57 GMT -5
Dexter, that is simply not correct. Clarenville did not have to play a single game this year to qualify for the AC...they also turned over HALF their roster at the conclusion of their playoffs and picked up players from 3 other teams...including the three best players from Grand Falls who just beat them in the finals.
NOWHERE else in Canada is that allowed. EVERY other team, AP's or not, has to have their roster finalized by early Feb. The Nfld. teams can add players until mere days before the AC tournament begins.
That is a ridiculously unfair advantage
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Post by dexterbaggs@hotmail.com on May 14, 2014 17:50:48 GMT -5
I think that you are wrong there , the Nl team that is going to play at the Allan cup has to put their roster in the same time as any of the teams , now as to the number of AP will I don`t know about that .. There are no teams from the Atlantic Provinces other than NL willing to play at the Allan cup this and the fact that the team that qualified to play declined to go leaving the runner up the right ,so there you have the team from Clarenville .. Perhaps it might be better if a team from Newfoundland did not even bother to send a team in the future , seems like too much of a farce
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Post by dexterbaggs@hotmail.com on May 14, 2014 18:02:16 GMT -5
By the way lets see what teams will show up at Newfoundland`s door step next year ..To be honest I don`t expect that there will not be very many and if so it will be watered down quite a bit
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Post by ronaldo on May 14, 2014 18:44:55 GMT -5
it's starting already poor new Newfoundland ,maybe a couple more IMPORTS would help ease the pain. sorry AP's
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Post by ac on May 16, 2014 9:15:23 GMT -5
Getting back to the reason for this thread, to keep updates on Senior hockey going all summer.......
Is there any word on Newfoundland? Will Windsor-Grand Falls also declare AAA? They'd gain automatic entry.
Then if Quebec doesn't declare, correct me if I'm wrong they (NFLD)would then be granted a 3rd entry?
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Post by Miffer on May 16, 2014 9:33:26 GMT -5
Sounds right to me and I think the 3rd entry might go to the first westerly province that wants to enter, if other Newfoundland teams decline.
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Post by wade on May 16, 2014 11:26:54 GMT -5
Getting back to the reason for this thread, to keep updates on Senior hockey going all summer....... Is there any word on Newfoundland? Will Windsor-Grand Falls also declare AAA? They'd gain automatic entry. Then if Quebec doesn't declare, correct me if I'm wrong they (NFLD)would then be granted a 3rd entry? Your wrong. 1. HOST 2. ATLANTIC 3. ACH 4. NORTHERN ONTARIO 5. WEST 6. PACIFIC These will be the 6 AC spots for 2014.
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Post by mlh01 on May 16, 2014 16:15:51 GMT -5
[/quote]Your wrong.
1. HOST 2. ATLANTIC 3. ACH 4. NORTHERN ONTARIO 5. WEST 6. PACIFIC
These will be the 6 AC spots for 2014. [/quote]
Wade I believe you may be wrong. As much as I believe this is the way it should be - both Northern Ontario and Ontario gaining entry, this is not how it was handled in the past.
The Northern rep plays the winner of the ACH (S. Ontario).
Here is what I believe:
1. HOST 2. ATLANTIC 3. QUEBEC (if they decline, then a third Atlantic Rep) 4. ONTARIO (North plays South) 5. WEST 6. PACIFIC
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Post by wade on May 16, 2014 17:31:18 GMT -5
When has it ever been done that way?
They will break down inter-provincial playoffs and send branch representation just like they've done each year since Quebec dropped out & Newfoundland joined.
The only thing that could change this is if the HOST REGION produces a SR AAA candidate from a different Provincial Branch within the region (PEI, NB or NS)
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Post by mlh01 on May 16, 2014 20:52:31 GMT -5
When has it ever been done that way? They will break down inter-provincial playoffs and send branch representation just like they've done each year since Quebec dropped out & Newfoundland joined. The only thing that could change this is if the HOST REGION produces a SR AAA candidate from a different Provincial Branch within the region (PEI, NB or NS) Wade - They've done it that way the last few years. The ONLY time that Ontario had multiple teams is when they host. 2013: Host Pacific Region (had 3 teams - Bentley, Stoney Plain and Fort St John) Ontario: Kenora had to play Brantford....thus ONE Ontario team 2012: Host West Region (had 3 teams - Lloydminster, Rosetown, Southeast) Ontario: Kenora had to play Dundas...thus ONE Ontario team 2011: Host Kenora...thus TWO Ontario teams 2010: Host Pacific Region (had 3 teams - Fort St John, Powell River, Bentley) Ontario: Dundas had to play Kenora...thus ONE Ontario team Wade - not sure why you think next year would be different in NFLD, and they would grant Ontario 2 teams???
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Post by wade on May 16, 2014 21:26:58 GMT -5
There are no other SR AAA teams in the Atlantic Region.
In fact...you could make a very strong argument that the only Atlantic team should be the HOST team in 2014.
Therefore...the nearest Inter-Provincial Series (Robertson Cup) will be granted the bye.
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Post by mlh01 on May 16, 2014 22:01:32 GMT -5
True wade but that is 2014. You need to remember that 2015 will be essentially free for any other Newfoundland team. Therefore, it would not surprise me if a 3rd Nfld team that is currently AA, declares their team AAA next year if no Quebec team declares. Again, costs would be minimal as there would be little, if any, travel expenses involved. Each Allan Cup game would be no different than 3-4 more road games, and Clarenville would be required to pay out minimal amounts (but still some $$ coin) even to the other Nfld teams.
Believe me, I do not think that there are many who would support 3 teams from a province of 500k people...but thems the rules....and it doesn't matter what we think.
Donnie had the best suggestion. Teams and leagues such as ours (Chinook and ACH) earn the right. Nfld also does although they do it differently by declaring the previous year. Each champion should continue to have a berth in the Cup. So you'd have ONT, AB, and NF. All others including Kenora, South East, Powell River, etc should enter regional tournaments.
Wouldn't that be great - 6 true "teams"....ahhh I'm dreaming again. haha
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