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Post by southoftheborder on Mar 22, 2023 3:16:19 GMT -5
I understand the concept of a challenge cup and Clarenville being a last-minute addition, but adding players at this stage when all other AAA teams have had their rosters finalized a long time ago doesn't seem right. Actually this is not out of the ordinary. Newfoundland, in all of the modern day era tournaments were granted an exemption. This allowed them to add 4-5 players. They did this during the 2014 Cup here in Dundas. Although….read on. It really wasn’t an exemption under Hockey Canada rules. We also need to put this in perspective. Newfoundland is an island with a population of approx 500,000 people. That is less than the amalgamated city of Hamilton (which includes the 22k who live here in Dundas. The 4 teams in our league have over 15 million people in the small area called the “Golden Horseshoe” to build teams from. Therefore the only way to allow the smaller provinces a fighting chance is to allow pickups. Secondly - we can actually do the same in Ontario. Alberta too ….by adding “AA” AP players. In fact we did it here in Dundas. Seasoned McCoys fans will remember that we added big D MacMillan after his AA season in Southwest Ontario was done. I remember at least two years he joined us for the Cup run. What would happen is the previous years winner would declare “AAA” for the following season in Newfoundland. The rest of the teams in NFLD would play as “AA”. Thus allowing them to pickup AP “AA” players fair and square. Only difference in 2023 is this is such short notice that Clarenville didn’t declare AAA. But let’s be honest. That is just semantics. I will be thrilled if they can pull this off. Looking forward to seeing the Caribous again !!! ** Please feel free to add to my comments above. All are my recollection of how the Allan Cup has run for the last 25 years with regards to NFLD adding pickups. If I remember correctly, having the tournament in Dundas, which is not too far from Toronto may be one of if not the cheapest trip for a team from Newfoundland to have outside of the Atlantic Provinces. I thought most of the normal plane routes in St. John's go through either Halifax or Toronto. It's either a long bus ride (with a long ferry crossing) or a plane ride to any place else.
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Post by southoftheborder on Mar 21, 2023 16:29:54 GMT -5
I understand the concept of a challenge cup and Clarenville being a last-minute addition, but adding players at this stage when all other AAA teams have had their rosters finalized a long time ago doesn't seem right. Isn't that what they used to do in the old East-West days with both the Memorial and Allan Cup playoffs?
I also remember a few years ago that the Central/West Senior Hockey League champion was allowed a few players to strengthen their roster when they were playing for the Herder against the champion of the Newfoundland Senior Hockey League.
I would think if they wanted to expand the number of teams competing for the Allan Cup they should have Senior AA league all-star teams play down for spot in the tournament. Thay would give 30+ teams excluding the two Senior AAA leagues. The leagues could do league-wide 50-50 draws or Chase the Ace events to raise funds to support the All-Star teams.
In reality Senior hockey has been dying a long painful death since the invention of television. Hockey Night in Canada television broadcasts gave fans in many medium sized cities across the nation the option of seeing the NHL on television in stead of getting high calibre senior hockey at their local rink.
This level of play is working guys dealing with having to provide for their families with full time jobs while playing a game they love. I don't know how many can afford to take time off from work without burning all of their vacation time or has a boss that can afford to be down the help for the day or two each series would take on a road trip for each round, and then needing a week for the Allan Cup tournament itself.
If you really wanted to go old school how about having universities compete for the Allan Cup again.
They need to try something to get the Senior level back to at least some level of stability. Either going back to what used to work or thinking outside the box is what it may take to get over the hump to stabilize senior hockey
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Post by southoftheborder on Mar 20, 2023 5:21:06 GMT -5
Clarenville, Innisfail, Dundas, and Ontario team. Unless something drastic changes in the next few weeks. Too bad this didn't break earlier. The AESHL and Herder series in Newfoundland could have been cut down to best-of-five series and it might have worked out to have this year's Herder champion participate in the Allan Cup.
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Post by southoftheborder on Mar 20, 2023 5:09:19 GMT -5
How would the teams from NFLD be eligible when they are basically AA not AAA any more The difference between Senior AAA and Senior AA is a touchy subject in Newfoundland.
Teams in Newfoundland nearly destroyed senior hockey in the province battling over one team pretty much well being AAA while playing in AA leagues as accusations were made of players being paid under the table by one team to play and this nearly killed off senior hockey in the province as teams were being excluded from playing in leagues due to this accusation, which apparently weren't proven with the excuse being given that they made the team a five team league and scheduling was more difficult with an odd number of teams. Hockey NL stepped in and after having a sitdown meeting with all of the teams involved returned the accused team to the league they had just be excluded from. It was a total mess and got stranger. The Newfoundland Senior Hockey League had all but one of its' members vote to withdraw from the league and reform the Avalon East Senior Hockey League excluding the accused team. The simple solution would have been having the team join the Central/West Senior Hockey League but the team wasn't accepted into that league despite if they were added they would give the league four teams and make scheduling easier and give teams more games.
The pandemic didn't help the situation either.
Registration deadlines have not meant much in senior hockey over the last decade or so as Hockey Canada doesn't put that high of a priority on the Allan Cup. And each province has their own set of deadlines which all seem fairly flexible as needed.
Before the issues within Newfoundland senior hockey came to head, the previous year's Herder Cup champion would represent the province in Allan Cup qualifying. If this was the case the Southern Shore Breakers would have been the province's representative for this year's Allan Cup.
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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 28, 2023 16:30:46 GMT -5
*Steelers, not Steelhawks D'oh! I forgot..thanks
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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 26, 2023 7:18:48 GMT -5
I know its' not Senior AAA but:
Hockey Newfoundland and Labrador announced that the Herder Memorial Trophy will be contested in an east-west format for the first time since 2008. The winners of the Avalon East Senior and West Coast Senior Leagues will meet in a best-of-seven series for the provincial championship.
Game 1: April 14 @ WCSHL champion Game 2: April 15 @ WCSHL champion Game 3: April 20 @ AESHL champion Game 4: April 21 @ AESHL champion Game 5: April 22 @ AESHL champion if necessary
Game 6: April 28 @ WCSHL champion if necessary Game 7: April 29 @ WCSHL champion if necessary
The WCSHL has three teams and finishes its regular season on March 10th with playoffs to follow.
The AESHL has six teams and finished its' regular season about on the 19th and are in their quarterfinal round which should finish up over the next day or two. The semifinal and final rounds will be best-of-seven series.
With the issues senior hockey has had in Newfoundland over the past several years this is a very positive sign for hopefully better and more stable days ahead.
It is also a great sign also that Port-aux-Basques was able to put a team together this year with how hard hit they were by Hurricane Fiona.
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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 26, 2023 6:58:59 GMT -5
ACH finished their season Friday night
The playoff schedule was released on last Tuesday.
The playoffs consist of a home and home three team round robin semifinal round between Dundas, Hamilton, and Wentworth.
The schedule is as follows for the semifinals: March 2: Dundas Real McCoys @ Wentworth Gryphins March 10: Hamilton Steelers @ Dundas Real McCoys March 12: Wentworth Gryphins @ Hamilton Steelers March 16: Hamilton Steelers @ Wentworth Gryphins March 24: Wentworth Gryphins @ Dundas Real McCoys March 26: Dundas Real McCoys @ Hamilton Steelers
The top two teams will meet in the championship series with the length to be determined. The playoff champion advances to the 2023 Allan Cup (the runner up if Dundas win the championship).
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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 26, 2023 6:50:30 GMT -5
The CHL released a schedule for the league playoffs on February 16th. Cremona declined to participate and Innisfail alreay clinched first place with one game remaining on the schedule for March 4th. The series also doubles as the Alberta Senior AAA championship.
The series is a best-of-five.
March 11 in Innisfail 8pm
March 17 in Stony Plain 815pm
March 18 in Innisfail 8pm
March 24 in Stony Plain 815pm if necessary March 25 in Innisfail 8pm if necessary
Both Innisfail and Stony Plain have already indicated they are participating in the 2023 Allan Cup in Dundas.
Link to article
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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 9, 2023 18:33:40 GMT -5
One of the Eagles or the winless team? Cremona opted out of the playoffs.
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Post by southoftheborder on Feb 2, 2023 19:01:56 GMT -5
Double forfeit due to lack of players would be my guess.
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 29, 2023 14:48:20 GMT -5
That would be great; I wonder what the Quaiyfing format would be. I assume Alberta Champion, Ontario Champion, and Dundas, Who will get the 4th spot I am suprised that at least a couple of teams haven't tried to register as AAA especially out of either New Brunswick or Saskatchewan (with fairly stable teams) or even the EOSHL or WOSHL (for a short trip to the tournament).
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 18, 2023 20:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 10, 2023 20:51:37 GMT -5
Soon be time to make a decision on AC, 2 1/2 mths away, not much time to raise money needed for Host and away teams They didn't announce it was cancelled until February 5th in 2021 (as part of the announcement that the Allan Cup, Telus Cup and Esso Cup were all cancelled) that it was cancelled and until late March in 2022 (by the Dundas Real McCoys) that it was cancelled last year. There's plenty of time.
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Post by southoftheborder on Jan 2, 2023 5:42:20 GMT -5
Looked even farther and Doug has every single score from every Allan Cup game documented on the link I pasted, going back to 1909 Again not knowledgeable enough to know if all this info can suddenly disappear even though archived here? Let’s figure out. Would love to start a website to put all of this into. If you want the icehockey wiki website list all of the games in the finals and most of the qualifying over the years. I am an administrator for the site. Feel free to use what you can.
Allan Cup Final/Allan Cup Tournament
Eastern and Western Canada Allan Cup playoffs
Provincial Allan Cup Playoffs
There is also qualifying information for the Tournament era of the Allan Cup with the five regional qualifier information also available.
There is also links to the history of many of the teams and leagues that have competed for the Allan Cup over the years on the website. Several people have done a lot of research to include a very thorough history of Senior, Intermediate, Junior, and University hockey on the website.
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Post by southoftheborder on Dec 29, 2022 18:48:37 GMT -5
It appears allancup.ca is no longer the same portal either. Where will Allan Cup tournament stats be archived? We could start our own new forum here and just update it as we go? I’m not sure who would want to do that. However I know just hosting a site can be costly.
Try surfing around this website if you are looking for something specific:
The ice hockey wiki (which I am an administrator) has a lot of the scores and qualifying archived. Not as much on the statistics.
There is a page for each year on the website.
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