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Post by southoftheborder on May 21, 2024 14:38:02 GMT -5
I saw online this morning about potential locations for ACH teams to join. Also noted was the $100,000 buy in for new teams. Why so steep to start a team? Other teams have to offset their financial losses somehow. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Besides they pretty much well have a captive audience.
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Post by ou812 on May 21, 2024 18:41:21 GMT -5
I saw online this morning about potential locations for ACH teams to join. Also noted was the $100,000 buy in for new teams. Why so steep to start a team? Other teams have to offset their financial losses somehow. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Besides they pretty much well have a captive audience. Correct. Also Being linked to the OHA model, means $$$ rules. It's a poor business model for this league. You would think they learned their lesson allowing Brampton in previously and then still awarded a team to Richmond Hill that has ex-Buccaneers minority owners knowing their financial struggles with the majority owner (who is a real piece of work TBH). It's a barrier to entry for sure (but one they feel will keep the "riff raff" out) but it puts ACH in ONT on a path of making the league "pay to play" like most minor hockey in Ontario. I think Pay to play would kill ACH in Ontario.
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Post by southoftheborder on May 22, 2024 17:42:47 GMT -5
Other teams have to offset their financial losses somehow. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Besides they pretty much well have a captive audience. Correct. Also Being linked to the OHA model, means $$$ rules. It's a poor business model for this league. You would think they learned their lesson allowing Brampton in previously and then still awarded a team to Richmond Hill that has ex-Buccaneers minority owners knowing their financial struggles with the majority owner (who is a real piece of work TBH). It's a barrier to entry for sure (but one they feel will keep the "riff raff" out) but it puts ACH in ONT on a path of making the league "pay to play" like most minor hockey in Ontario. I think Pay to play would kill ACH in Ontario. It's like the old saying How do you make a million dollars in junior hockey? Start with two million dollars.
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Post by sprintcars on May 26, 2024 11:32:11 GMT -5
I see Richmond Hill has pulled out of the AAA league to join the AA WOSHL.I guess they didn't like the 100k price tag.They need to drop the price if they hope to gain teams in Ontario.
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Post by ou812 on May 27, 2024 11:49:02 GMT -5
Interesting. I had not heard that.
Perhaps this is better for them, than playing sanctioned under OHA. The owners are ex-Brampton Buccs owners.
Just proves, yet again, that ACH doesn't vet their new owner franchises well enough. They just want the $100K. ACH announced the RH addition and if what you say is true and then bailed for AA, does not look good on the old boys club of ACH and OHA
Times have changed OHA. Wake up and smell the coffee. SR AAA is NOT the same as minor hockey. Start, by allowing all players to be free agents at end of every season. Owning rights for 1 or 2 years at this age and level will only hurt your product and more will leave for the other SR leagues in ONT.
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Post by sprintcars on May 27, 2024 15:00:52 GMT -5
They need to open up the Allan Cup for all AA leagues There are teams in everyone of these leagues that can compete and possibly win an championship.I would bet that teams such as Petrolia and Tillsonburg that were AAA at onetime would love that opportunity.
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Post by mlh01 on May 29, 2024 21:54:16 GMT -5
They need to open up the Allan Cup for all AA leagues There are teams in everyone of these leagues that can compete and possibly win an championship.I would bet that teams such as Petrolia and Tillsonburg that were AAA at onetime would love that opportunity. All sanctioned AA teams are now allowed to compete for the Allan Cup. Tilsonburg and Petrolia play in the WOSHL which is an "outlaw" league, meaning they are not under the Hockey Canada umbrella. Thus they cannot compete for a Canadian National championship. No different than any level of hockey in our country - ie only CHL teams can compete for the Memorial Cup, etc There have been recent instances out West where some Tier 2 Jr leagues have broken away. Rightly or wrongly, this takes them away from the shot at Nationals.
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Post by mlh01 on May 29, 2024 22:01:27 GMT -5
It is confirmed that Richmond Hill did an about face and backed out of their entry into the ACH. They will compete in the WOSHL that I mentioned above. Will not be eligible for Ontario or Canadian championship now.
Likely for the best as their ownership group includes members of the disastrous Brampton team.
Looks like a 4th team has already committed to next year in the ACH In lieu of Richmond Hill. Will be announced soon. Still early but the hope was to get to 6 AAA Ontario teams. Add in the 11 teams in the sanctioned OESHL AA loop and Ontario will have anywhere from 15 to 17 teams competing for the right to play in next years Allan Cup.
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Post by mlh01 on Jun 4, 2024 16:16:23 GMT -5
Hearing Niagara in ACH for next year.
Haven't seen any announcement but that is talk around town.
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Post by ou812 on Jun 4, 2024 22:13:46 GMT -5
I was hearing Brantford and/or Woodstock being promoted up from AA.
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Post by ou812 on Jul 8, 2024 7:39:19 GMT -5
Posted in another thread... wasn't sure where to post this.. sorry for the duplication
So the WOSHL confirmed Richmond Hill is joining (originally said they were accepted into Allan Cup Hockey league, then bailed -- former Brampton owners) and that Woodstock was not returning to WOSHL.
Door is open for the "rumour" that Woodstock will join ACH. Seriously, if they thought the Brampton group was a shit show, just wait until they get a load of JZ.
ACH hired a management firm to vet new teams and if Woodstock is one of them, they clearly wasted their money or no one else wants to join the ACH old boys club.
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Post by wade on Jul 31, 2024 22:34:37 GMT -5
The only pertinent question left to be answered is: When will dignity prevail and the Allan Cup be laid to rest?
There will definitely not be any BC, Alberta or Saskatchewan teams making a trip east for a throw together tournament such as what’s been attempted the last couple years.
Alberta’s NCHL continues to do well ( arguably the healthiest SR league in the nation) and in order to be accepted into the NCHL, Inny & Stony had to lay down on Allan Cup pursuit. I don’t really believe it was a hard decision. They SAY it was a tough decision but…no…it was obvious.
I expect both teams will now have more success signing players, drawing fans and promoting themselves with a clear message and a legitimate schedule.
The last few years had to be tough…especially for Inny with the way they talked shit about how they were going to revive SR AAA in Alberta & nation wide.
Truth is…and I’ve said it many times…the last REAL Allan Cup was 2019. And the smartest people around that tournament saw the writing on the wall that spring.
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Post by southoftheborder on Aug 1, 2024 17:47:45 GMT -5
The only pertinent question left to be answered is: When will dignity prevail and the Allan Cup be laid to rest? There will definitely not be any BC, Alberta or Saskatchewan teams making a trip east for a throw together tournament such as what’s been attempted the last couple years. Alberta’s NCHL continues to do well ( arguably the healthiest SR league in the nation) and in order to be accepted into the NCHL, Inny & Stony had to lay down on Allan Cup pursuit. I don’t really believe it was a hard decision. They SAY it was a tough decision but…no…it was obvious. I expect both teams will now have more success signing players, drawing fans and promoting themselves with a clear message and a legitimate schedule. The last few years had to be tough…especially for Inny with the way they talked shit about how they were going to revive SR AAA in Alberta & nation wide. Truth is…and I’ve said it many times…the last REAL Allan Cup was 2019. And the smartest people around that tournament saw the writing on the wall that spring. You do realize the tournament is being held in Alberta this year right??
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Post by outwest95 on Aug 2, 2024 9:59:58 GMT -5
Unless the commitee gets creative i dont yhink an Alberta tournament happens this year. No AAA status and sure the AA curcuit can still challenge for it, however no AA team can host. Innisfail made that clear over socials and that they had to drop both hosting and status to just be let into a league.
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Post by sprintcars on Aug 2, 2024 10:38:24 GMT -5
If they open up the Allan Cup for AA teams to host.They would find that these towns support senior hockey tremendously and that it could only help to grow the game and the stigma around the Allan Cup.
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