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Post by wade on Apr 5, 2011 22:21:08 GMT -5
What's the deal with Sutter not shaking hands with anyone from the Flyers the last 2 years after it's all over? I honestly don't know. I can't speak on his behalf. I did stand behind the Gens' bench after the game was over last night and looked around the ice for him. I don't think he was out for any of the post game stuff was he? Sutter is, normally, the first guy to shake someone's hand. It seems strange he (apparently) has done this 2 years in a row. He's never said anything to me...but...maybe he has something personal against the Flyers? But I can only guess and thats unfair to both sides.
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Post by hipper on Apr 6, 2011 0:06:44 GMT -5
So he didn't shake hands this year as well...wtf!!!There's NO excuse for this!!!Everyone battles hard and has a hate on for the other team, but when it's all over there a respect factor!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 3:07:47 GMT -5
he shook hands with a coach of one of the teams after a game{IN FORT ST.JOHN} ,i think they were former teammate years ago,it was not the final game
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Post by wade on Apr 6, 2011 11:00:26 GMT -5
So he didn't shake hands this year as well...wtf!!!There's NO excuse for this!!!Everyone battles hard and has a hate on for the other team, but when it's all over there a respect factor!!! Like I said before...Sutter is normally the first person to shake someone's hand. And for the 3rd time...I can't speak on his behalf. I can only tell you he knows what the traditional hand shakes represent and he adheres to it...with more compassion and concern than most Coaches! That being said...Sutter is also a last boyscout. Truly old school, passionate about the game and especially passionate about his team. He would never expect someone to come crawling to him, asking for handshake. If he wanted to shake your hand...he would have. I am pretty sure he didn't forget to shake your hands in his rush to get to the florist to buy you a bouquet of flowers. He chose not to shake your hand and I would advise you best not go looking for him. Because it would seem to me, you might be on his bad side and thats not where you want to be. Ever.
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Post by hipper on Apr 6, 2011 11:08:36 GMT -5
No excuse...when the games over show a little respect!All the players do...why not him...is he above everyone else?Bentley's a class organization and team...this just looks bad if u ask me!
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Post by wade on Apr 6, 2011 12:13:49 GMT -5
Like I said...I can't speak on his behalf but I can (and will) ask him about it the next time I speak with him.
I trust his judgement...so...I feel like...if he intentionally didn't shake your hands...he will have what he feels is a good reason not to and the bottom line is...its not a rule to do it...its a choice.
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Post by munzie on Apr 6, 2011 13:57:05 GMT -5
Wade....my comments are not directed at you, and by the way congratulations on your teams victory in the Mac Cup. Never the less, I may take a couple of points from your post if I may, regarding coach Sutter.
Last year in FSJ while you were drowning in the beer garden, I was just a neutral, hopefully unbiased observer at the championship game. That's because my team was already history. a couple of days earlier.
At the conclusion of the game I saw Sutter extend a hand to the FSJ coach and then along with the rest of his team promptly exit stage right. It was only after a very noticeable delay, where it appeared that someone went back to the dressing room area, that the team and coach reappeared to the ice for the closing ceremony. As best I could see the coach did not join his players for the on ice traditional handshakes. I found it all very strange, especially because his team had won the year before in Steinbach and he must have or should have noticed that the losing team and coaches remained and respected the traditional decorum.
After all this is the showcase of amateur adult hockey. The name or history of a persons name shouldn't really be an issue, but If anything, one might have thought the standard exemplified, perhaps might even be a little higher rather than lower.
Of course, I was not at the just finished Mac Cup, but It seems this issue has surfaced again. It just seems strange and to be very honest, it's not something that I like to remember form my pleasurable trip to FSJ, but it just sticks unfortunately. If it is what it appears, then "old school" or the aura of being on one's bad side, is simply ridiculous (again Wade, not at all aimed at you). If those were the reasons, then it would be appropriate to leave and wonder off into the sunset.
At the risk of piling on, I have one other comment. Coach Sutter's antics in repeatedly delaying his players return to the ice after intermissions is not excusable IMO. Nor is it justified for tournament officials to allow it without penalty. In Steinbach it happened in almost every game while opposing teams and fans waited without justification. Yes, the dressing room for his team was further away, but it was not located in Winnipeg and nor were his players using walkers. I watched the on ice official finally get so fed up that he eventually even went himself to to the dressing room, and it didn't take him forever to make the round trip. Noticeably even then, the coach and his players were still slow to appear. So another snub of the nose, or so it would appear. Listening to the broadcast of the final game at this years Mac Cup start of third period, once again, same old antic. Shrewd strategy or whatever other baloney be dammed. This antic has been repeated often enough by this coach, that Allan Cup officials should address this matter with a "pre-tournament" warning. Any repeated snub of this nature will be penalized appropriately.
Anything less puts into question to quality of the event.
I'm a fan. I don't go home early if my team falls short, and I like to go home when it's all over, with the thought that it was an all round pretty good show.
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Post by wade on Apr 6, 2011 16:09:28 GMT -5
As a 'neutral observer' you may want to funnel back even further away from the epicenter of passion and fury, to allow for a better view of the big picture, munzie.
To let the post game oversights of a few players committing a misdemeanor of passion detract from your 'Allan Cup experience' is redonkulous.
I will address 'this year' in a next post.
Last year...From my beer soaked seat across from The Army bench, I watched no less than a half dozen of our foot soldiers leave/return to the Championship Final, each of them needing treatment(s) for injuries and each injury was serious....ranging from obvious concussion symptoms, hip pointers, dislocated knee caps, torn MCL/ACL, separated shoulder and broken fingers. Plus, heat exhaustion.
I am not a Doctor but I play one on the Internet and its my personal diagnosis we dressed no less than 2 skaters who put their long term health in blatant jeopardy to compete through truly excruciating pain and set themselves back by years after cutting rehabilitation times in half for surgeries they had underwent earlier in the winter.
Two D-Men and our Captain were fighting just to stand on two feet by the end of this game. Several players were in dire need of treatment and the emotion/turmoil and confusion going on in the tunnel/bench/ice as The Army tried to march in time with each other in her dying minutes on that day was at an all time high...or low...depending on how you want to look at it.
Each year, The Army plays more games, travels more miles and sacrifices more blood, sweat and tears than anyone else in the tournament.
Last spring in FSJ...we walked into an ambush, held under heavy fire and intense bombing for the better part of a week, by an enemy which hadn't had to play a single qualification game and had 2 full years to draw up a battle plan to execute against an Army whose aforementioned travel, games played et al....had already surpassed all time record amounts.
Truth be told...the toll sustained could have and maybe should have been worse than it was.
Sutters JOB when all of this is going down is to NOT let it be an excuse to lose. I would think it would be very difficult for him to look at his boys, their eyes tearing up as they struggle onward, demanding MORE...but...that is what he had to do and it hurt him, it hurt the players and it hurt me to watch it. Big time.
When the buzzer went...they were rushing to the room to do damage control...both physical and emotional. They needed to take care of each other. They needed...'a moment'...to re-compose and check on a couple guys who were badly hurt.
White flagging towards the opposition can be done...later. First...attend to our fallen. This is how we do things.
The intermission delays which you find so unfair and unsporting can be linked back to similar reasons.
However, I would also suggest that the timers in your mind are not as accurate as the timers in the buildings The Army invades.
Were hashing over a few minutes, here and their and who are you to say The Army takes too long...rather than maybe the other team gets too rushed to get back on the ice?
I can tell you..even with these delays...several playoff periods are started with plenty of water still laying on the ice and just waiting to snag a skittering puck for a needless, game deciding turn over.
To me...its silly for anyone to be in a panic to get the Gens out of their dressing room when the damned ice surface isn't even set up...but...your ever astute MOOSE FM crew probably don't pick up on something like this...they see it through Flyer-Vision: As if their team is at a disadvantage to be skating around in the sloppy conditions while the other team just wants to have honest ice to start games/periods.
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Post by wade on Apr 6, 2011 16:21:30 GMT -5
As for Sutter not showing up for a handshake this year...
I have already said that I will ask him about it because I don't have an answer at this time.
I would think that would more than suffice and try to remember...its not going to be as easy question for me to ask Coach Sutter.
I can already envision myself...(the messenger)... getting shot for this...but...people want to know so I will try and find out...rather than guess or speak on his behalf.
Like I said already...I know exactly what was happening last year and I 100% understood it.
Outsiders...wouldn't...because The Army doesn't make known details on the extent of injuries. I never once posted anything about the gory details of the 2010 Championship until I find myself...here a full year later...reading the same merciless scrutiny for a team which has been mostly full class every step of the fight.
But again...as for this year...I will make one guess on Sutter's behavior before I ask him this touchy subject:
I think...He's come to hate FSJ. (just a guess)
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Post by munzie on Apr 6, 2011 16:22:31 GMT -5
Very, Very interesting!
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Post by flyer on Apr 6, 2011 17:05:41 GMT -5
Wade I call Bullshit on your excuse for Sutter for last year, in 4 years he has been involved with the Generals he has only gone out to shake the Flyers hands once and this year he didn't even bother to shake the coaches hands. I guess he is to good to being doing that, oh well another one for the Flyers to put in there memory bank for motivation in the next battle!
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Post by LOTW on Apr 6, 2011 17:13:09 GMT -5
TOO MUCH EXPLAINING.(IM WITH MUNZIE ON THIS ONE!) WHEN ITS TIME TO START A PERIOD GET OUT THERE ON TIME. AND WHEN ITS ALL OVER SHAKE HANDS. PERIOD.
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Post by james on Apr 6, 2011 17:37:24 GMT -5
I agree its pure BS!! Hate or like, win or loose, pro or amature, you shake the other teams hands after a battle like that! I heard a interview with Sutter after the very first meeting of these teams in Red Deer after a hard faught 5 game series, and he said that he would go to battle with those guys any night of the week.. meaning the flyers.. where has that respect gone in the last 4 or 5 years. Hope he shakes hands in the AC final this year, as this is where I expect the gens to be!
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Post by wade on Apr 6, 2011 18:26:54 GMT -5
Gentlemen, Give me a chance to ask the question before you strike up a posse and set chase after our beloved 'Blood and Guts'.
There could be a quality explanation. Probably even colorful!
You may have to wait until some point after the season is done.
I don't think its something I feel compelled to put on Sutter's plate right now. Sutter and the boys are concentrated on getting ready for the biggest games of the season and the (somewhat understandably) hurt feelings left in his wake will have to wait until the last shot is fired before appeasement can be seeked out.
And one other thing...this seems, to me, to be a situation with FSJ. All other rivals of the Gens will attest, Sutter treats them with class and respect.
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Post by jimc on Apr 7, 2011 22:28:56 GMT -5
Sutter's last stop in the NHL was in Chicago. He was a complete douche there, and that's when he threatened to fight one of his own players, Tyler Arnason, in a bar in Nashville. He's always been prickly, as a player and a coach, but he crossed the line from prickly to classless long ago. The NHL game obviously passed him by as his performance with the Hawks proves, and reading about him constantly being the centre of attention for the wrong reasons in Sr hockey doesn't surprise me at all. He was despised by his players in Chi, and that's a fact. Fans didn't care for him much either. I guess the car is stuck in the ditch, and everyone has to push it out again...yawn.
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