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Post by jimc on Apr 20, 2011 21:42:02 GMT -5
Sounds exactly like how the pompous and completely useless OHA and dictator Brent Ladds operate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 21:45:21 GMT -5
that a boy jimmy
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 21:48:05 GMT -5
colonel get together with wade l am sure the 2 of you can fix it
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2011 22:29:28 GMT -5
It would be nice if we could get a MAJORITY of SR AAA teams together to go to Hockey Canada and demand we get the leadership and recognition we need and deserve~!
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Post by regal on Apr 21, 2011 11:22:16 GMT -5
I also have a feeling that there is a bit of an old boys club at all levels of Hockey Canada. But the senior provincial Reps only get together twice a year at the AGM and the Allan Cup. For senior hockey to progress beyond the level we have now we need more communication with all parties. One suggestion would be for the HC Senior rep to visit each province to meet with the senior team's GM's or Presidents to come up some new ideas for going to the next level. As far as the comments about the current HC senior director are concerned I think the provincial director is in charge of the Host committee. I was involved in three AC committees here in BC and our senior rep at that time was Bob James. He wanted monthly reports on how we were progressing with all matters concerning the event. I think the provincial rep must take some responsibility with the Kenora host committee and how this years AC was run.
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Post by Don Robertson on Apr 21, 2011 11:54:12 GMT -5
I also have a feeling that there is a bit of an old boys club at all levels of Hockey Canada. But the senior provincial Reps only get together twice a year at the AGM and the Allan Cup. For senior hockey to progress beyond the level we have now we need more communication with all parties. One suggestion would be for the HC Senior rep to visit each province to meet with the senior team's GM's or Presidents to come up some new ideas for going to the next level. As far as the comments about the current HC senior director are concerned I think the provincial director is in charge of the Host committee. I was involved in three AC committees here in BC and our senior rep at that time was Bob James. He wanted monthly reports on how we were progressing with all matters concerning the event. I think the provincial rep must take some responsibility with the Kenora host committee and how this years AC was run. The operators of Sr Clubs have to step up as well, as some know I have tried to get the operators to have meetings maybe meet at Hockey Canada AGM's with limited to no success. It might be me but I don't think so, you can't just sit back and bitch if you won't to be part of the solution, operators want to take Sr hockey to another level but it won't just happen by wishing it along. I'm not a fan of the Tourney format but it is what it is. I think we should an East/West best of 7 West Jet are pretty handy now, but maybe I'm just old fashion. This year only 3 of the 6 teams had to win a game to get to Kenora, not sure that makes sense ! Regards Don Robertson Dundas
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Post by flyer on Apr 21, 2011 14:45:56 GMT -5
I agree Don did the teams get together for a disscussion in Kenro like last year in FSJ?
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Post by colonel on Apr 21, 2011 15:02:43 GMT -5
I only wish that Filane would read this to see how the operators of these clubs really feel instead of just brushing it off. He only spends about 10 days a year, including the Allan Cup Tournament week, doing anything concerning Senior Hockey and yet he has no problem justifying his healthy paycheck. Come on Dean and show us that you do have something below your belt so we can grow this great brand of hockey. Maybe then Hockey Canada could justify opening their bank account to send the Allan Cup Winner to an International competition, such as the New Zealand Winter Games that they came up with. Hockey Canada can send a bunch of women anywhere and everywhere in the world all expenses paid, but can't send a National Championship Team of Men who would beat the women's National team by 15 goals anywhere. Oh ya, you did offer this Dean but you wanted the jerseys and gloves back right ! What a fu(k**G joke !
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Post by Don Robertson on Apr 21, 2011 18:27:09 GMT -5
I agree Don did the teams get together for a disscussion in Kenro like last year in FSJ? No and I didn't set one up based on the bail out from last year when the only Provincial rep's to carry forward the wishes of the operators where OHF and the Newfies. Regrads Don Robertson
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Post by Don Robertson on Apr 21, 2011 18:34:04 GMT -5
I only wish that Filane would read this to see how the operators of these clubs really feel instead of just brushing it off. He only spends about 10 days a year, including the Allan Cup Tournament week, doing anything concerning Senior Hockey and yet he has no problem justifying his healthy paycheck. Come on Dean and show us that you do have something below your belt so we can grow this great brand of hockey. Maybe then Hockey Canada could justify opening their bank account to send the Allan Cup Winner to an International competition, such as the New Zealand Winter Games that they came up with. Hockey Canada can send a bunch of women anywhere and everywhere in the world all expenses paid, but can't send a National Championship Team of Men who would beat the women's National team by 15 goals anywhere. Oh ya, you did offer this Dean but you wanted the jerseys and gloves back right ! What a fu(k**G joke ! I'm not touching the womens hockey stuff but I'm sure Dean's position is volunteer offer what you want on what he does but I assure you changes are like brining the Titantic back up Regards Don Robertson
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Post by wade on Apr 22, 2011 10:49:59 GMT -5
Filane sits in a position with the Board of Directors along with about 15 others. In the Hockey Canada umbrella, directors are not provided with a salary. The salary positions are given to administrators and special representatives. However, Hockey Canada has mandated they spend about 20% of their total funding pool on 'meetings' in a calender year. Think about that. Think about a structure where your spending nearly the same amount on ALL your National Tournaments as you are 'yearly meetings'. It doesn't add up! Now...with that on the table... I think it really doesn't matter Dean Filane is a 'volunteer'. He's part of a select group of people who draw from the kitty. Don't get me wrong...we all understand it costs money to get this big old bird in the sky and keep it there. However...2 things have to be kept in mind before this discussion can continue: 1) The Hockey Canada leadership group DOES come with a significant cost/burden upon its budget. 2) ALL LEVELS of Hockey Canada should be able to see results from these people...on a regular basis! Furthermore, IMO, Filane needs to be reminded that he IS a 'VOLUNTEER' and he is ALSO part of a team which does NOT require him to DICTATE decisions/cut deals/make promises/talk from more than one side of his mouth et al. He's already floating ideas which are spawned NOT from a like-minded think tank...but...his own mind. He is also making promises to Clarenville to HOST the 2015 Allan Cup!!! I mean...excuse me...BUT...Have the Senior Members even had a chance to convene and determine if they want to operate a tournament that far down the calender? I suppose there can be plenty of different ideas as to what Filane's job description and duties are. Personally...I would like to think a person in his position SHOULD be able to mediate the members he presides over and facilitate discussion, understanding and progress. If he CANNOT do this...he should have the common sense and humility to let EVERYONE know he is facing some serious challenges. He should NEVER (IMO) decide to take matters into his own hands, closing all avenues of democratic 'decisionizing'...and replacing the recognized process with a secretive and underhanded dictatorship.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2011 2:20:36 GMT -5
WADE, GIVE IT A REST .YOUR GENERALS ARE NOT 2011 ALLAN CUP WINNERS
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Post by wade on Apr 23, 2011 13:24:35 GMT -5
Speaking of winners and losers... I have been informed this morning, the affiliation rules for SR AAA hockey have been changed. SR AAA teams will now be able to affiliate 19 different players! All of Senior hockey will LOSE with this change. This is a real low point, illustrating just how short sighted, silly and stupid several people leading & participating at this level actually are. ANYONE who was/is in favor of this BUSHLEAGUE rule should be ashamed of themselves. Its impossible to guess how this rule will effect playoff games in the coming seasons...but.... The bottom line is...a rule like this is 100% ignorant towards spirit, team building and common sense. Horrible! Embarassing!
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Post by bryb61 on Apr 23, 2011 16:29:10 GMT -5
Slow down everyone. Dean Filane is the Senior Council Rep and represents all the regions and works with the host committee each year for the Allan cup. He does not choose the refs. I beleive James May from Hockey Canada made the selection as to who the refs were for each of the 11 games. The 2 teams in the final each should be proud. The refs did not decide the outcome of the final game. Congratulations to Clarenville and Bentley and the other 4 participating teams. Hats off to the host committee as they did an excellent job in trying to keep everyone happy. Great job.
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Post by rinkratz on Apr 25, 2011 12:31:50 GMT -5
so ontario teams will now have 44 cards for playoffs and the allan cup? am i taking wades post right?
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