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Post by mail14 on Mar 16, 2012 12:42:02 GMT -5
Just been reading all of the posts, and feel that some of the readers have been misinformed. It wasn't the Stoney Plain Eagles team that sent in the appeal for game 1, rather, it was a Chinook Hockey League adviser, Kim Marsh, that discovered the extra import, and immediately telephoned the Eagles organization. I had no idea that Mr. Marsh was working for the Eagles organization?? As everyone knows, the game was given to the Eagles, and HL coach Dody Wood has been suspended for the remainder of the season.
What amazes me, is that the Lloydminister Border Kings used 9 imports during the last 8 games of the Chinook League Schedule. They won all of the 8 games, which allowed them to compete for the Chinook League Play-off title. There were no suspensions handed down to players or coaches from the Border Kings. The only reason that Lloyd was able to compete for the Play-offs was because of the final 8 victories. If they were to take away the 8 games that Lloyd won by using illegal players, wouldn't a different Chinook League team have made the Play-offs, and benefited from the extra gates?? Just wondering why Mr. Marsh did not step up in this case to ensure that the import rules were enforced??
I wonder why there is a discrepancy involving these two similar situations?? Is this because Lloyd is hosting the Allan Cup, or is it because Horse Lake is a small First Nations Community?? I wonder what Mr. Marsh's answer to this question would be??
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Post by sam on Mar 16, 2012 13:51:34 GMT -5
Finally someone who has out right said it! I agree, with the exception of one of the games that I know of, only one Lloyd player was suspended because of being an illegal player (Lenny Thunderchild). He illegally played in Lloyd on the last weekend of regular season and had a head hit on a player that handed him a suspension. It was not until that point that he was suspended and the team fined. But I do agree 100%, why was the coach not suspended? Ray Marsh again was in attendance at the Lloyd games that weekend, both of them...
I just think that if they are going to enforce rules that they should be accross the board.
Its really sad that it has to come down to this considering these guys are all trying really hard to play good hockey.
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Post by hockeypops on Mar 16, 2012 22:37:12 GMT -5
Just been reading all of the posts, and feel that some of the readers have been misinformed. It wasn't the Stoney Plain Eagles team that sent in the appeal for game 1, rather, it was a Chinook Hockey League adviser, Kim Marsh, that discovered the extra import, and immediately telephoned the Eagles organization. I had no idea that Mr. Marsh was working for the Eagles organization?? As everyone knows, the game was given to the Eagles, and HL coach Dody Wood has been suspended for the remainder of the season. What amazes me, is that the Lloydminister Border Kings used 9 imports during the last 8 games of the Chinook League Schedule. They won all of the 8 games, which allowed them to compete for the Chinook League Play-off title. There were no suspensions handed down to players or coaches from the Border Kings. The only reason that Lloyd was able to compete for the Play-offs was because of the final 8 victories. If they were to take away the 8 games that Lloyd won by using illegal players, wouldn't a different Chinook League team have made the Play-offs, and benefited from the extra gates?? Just wondering why Mr. Marsh did not step up in this case to ensure that the import rules were enforced?? I wonder why there is a discrepancy involving these two similar situations?? Is this because Lloyd is hosting the Allan Cup, or is it because Horse Lake is a small First Nations Community?? I wonder what Mr. Marsh's answer to this question would be?? I am not here to defend Kim Marsh or his actions but as to the matter of the Lloyd situation I can speak clearly about what happened. The illegal player situation was on caught after round 1 of the Chinook League playoffs so there was nothing that could be done. Secondly, the suspension of a Coach comes from the Provincial level and LBK is a Saskatchewan team not falling under the mandate of Kim Marsh Senior Council for Hockey Alberta. Want to raise shit with someone and sound off? Raise shit with Saskatchewan Hockey who continues to refuse to do anything about how and when senior players are registered and monitored. And forget the last 8 games of the season, they won at laest 1 game against SLA with an illegal roster in playoffs but again were not caught with any of it until just before the Bentley series.
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Post by hockeypops on Mar 16, 2012 22:43:21 GMT -5
Just one more thing Mail14, you should also know that LBK used affiliates for the first 4 or 5 games of the season that helped them win. Affiliates that were as of that date uncarded to another team. How can you be an affiliate if your not carded? Again the Saskatchewan Hockey people could give a shit less because LBK is hosting so nothing will be done to hurt their chance to win. Because of how Saskatchewan cards senior players, waiting until Feb 10th for everything, senior hockey registration is a gong show in Saskatchewan.
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Post by puckhog on Mar 17, 2012 1:10:52 GMT -5
Just been reading all of the posts, and feel that some of the readers have been misinformed. It wasn't the Stoney Plain Eagles team that sent in the appeal for game 1, rather, it was a Chinook Hockey League adviser, Kim Marsh, that discovered the extra import, and immediately telephoned the Eagles organization. I had no idea that Mr. Marsh was working for the Eagles organization?? As everyone knows, the game was given to the Eagles, and HL coach Dody Wood has been suspended for the remainder of the season. What amazes me, is that the Lloydminister Border Kings used 9 imports during the last 8 games of the Chinook League Schedule. They won all of the 8 games, which allowed them to compete for the Chinook League Play-off title. There were no suspensions handed down to players or coaches from the Border Kings. The only reason that Lloyd was able to compete for the Play-offs was because of the final 8 victories. If they were to take away the 8 games that Lloyd won by using illegal players, wouldn't a different Chinook League team have made the Play-offs, and benefited from the extra gates?? Just wondering why Mr. Marsh did not step up in this case to ensure that the import rules were enforced?? I wonder why there is a discrepancy involving these two similar situations?? Is this because Lloyd is hosting the Allan Cup, or is it because Horse Lake is a small First Nations Community?? I wonder what Mr. Marsh's answer to this question would be?? I am not here to defend Kim Marsh or his actions but as to the matter of the Lloyd situation I can speak clearly about what happened. The illegal player situation was on caught after round 1 of the Chinook League playoffs so there was nothing that could be done. Secondly, the suspension of a Coach comes from the Provincial level and LBK is a Saskatchewan team not falling under the mandate of Kim Marsh Senior Council for Hockey Alberta. Want to raise shit with someone and sound off? Raise shit with Saskatchewan Hockey who continues to refuse to do anything about how and when senior players are registered and monitored. And forget the last 8 games of the season, they won at laest 1 game against SLA with an illegal roster in playoffs but again were not caught with any of it until just before the Bentley series.
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Post by puckhog on Mar 17, 2012 1:23:36 GMT -5
Great to see someone call the facts of the lloyd and HL situations Alberta senior council seems to deal with the rules as they are written. Mr. Marsh called it as he saw this situation and all senior hockey teams in Alberta would have expected the same call. Sask is a different situation and their going to handle it the way their senior council see fit. To bad we don't have the sames rules for everyone across the country!! That would make this an easy call. ?? Give credit to HL, they took the punishment for their overlook and carried on. A 6 goal comback to get back in their series. I'm sure this isn't over but HL isn't screaming injustice! They'll take the correct steps and carry on by the looks of things. Looks like this might be a long series. Stay tuned.
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Post by mail14 on Mar 17, 2012 2:03:07 GMT -5
So then I guess it is suffice to say that LBK can play under different rules then the other teams in the Chinook League?? if they are playing in an Alberta league then shouldn't they be following Alberta rules? And it should not matter when the league found out about the illegal players, suspensions to the coaches should have taken place...period! Or, if LBK coaches didn't receive suspensions then why should Dody Wood??? HL had the victory overturned, but to lose their coach when LBK got nothing?? Will there be any suspensions handed to LBK before the start of the new season, or is it all just gone and forgotten!?!?!
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Post by hockeypops on Mar 17, 2012 6:43:41 GMT -5
So then I guess it is suffice to say that LBK can play under different rules then the other teams in the Chinook League?? if they are playing in an Alberta league then shouldn't they be following Alberta rules? And it should not matter when the league found out about the illegal players, suspensions to the coaches should have taken place...period! Or, if LBK coaches didn't receive suspensions then why should Dody Wood??? HL had the victory overturned, but to lose their coach when LBK got nothing?? Will there be any suspensions handed to LBK before the start of the new season, or is it all just gone and forgotten!?!?! Suspensions are the call of the Provincial body and ultimately Hockey Canada so neither Hoackey Alberta or the Chinook League can do anything at this point. That said, it is my understanding that there will be actions taken that will prevent this kind of occurance to go unchecked in the Chinook League. It all stems back to the fact that all Alberta Senior Teams are on the HCR system from the first game of the season and Saskatchewan only requires Senior teams to have a final team registration by Feb 10 so during the season it is very difficult to say who is actually on a Sask team.
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Post by bison on Mar 17, 2012 10:04:39 GMT -5
So then I guess it is suffice to say that LBK can play under different rules then the other teams in the Chinook League?? if they are playing in an Alberta league then shouldn't they be following Alberta rules? And it should not matter when the league found out about the illegal players, suspensions to the coaches should have taken place...period! Or, if LBK coaches didn't receive suspensions then why should Dody Wood??? HL had the victory overturned, but to lose their coach when LBK got nothing?? Will there be any suspensions handed to LBK before the start of the new season, or is it all just gone and forgotten!?!?! Suspensions are the call of the Provincial body and ultimately Hockey Canada so neither Hoackey Alberta or the Chinook League can do anything at this point. That said, it is my understanding that there will be actions taken that will prevent this kind of occurance to go unchecked in the Chinook League. It all stems back to the fact that all Alberta Senior Teams are on the HCR system from the first game of the season and Saskatchewan only requires Senior teams to have a final team registration by Feb 10 so during the season it is very difficult to say who is actually on a Sask team. Hockeypops, where is this Feb 10th date coming from?? Most senior leagues in Saskatchewan are into playoffs by Feb 10th. Senior teams in Saskatchewan have to have their rosters set on January 10th. Saskatchewan senior AAA teams had to have their affiliate list in by December 15th and had to have their 25 man team roster in on December 30th.
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Post by naitch on Mar 17, 2012 11:32:44 GMT -5
Jesus...this is ridiculous, truly embarrassing for anyone who is a fan of Senior Hockey.
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Post by hockeypops on Mar 17, 2012 13:14:21 GMT -5
Suspensions are the call of the Provincial body and ultimately Hockey Canada so neither Hoackey Alberta or the Chinook League can do anything at this point. That said, it is my understanding that there will be actions taken that will prevent this kind of occurance to go unchecked in the Chinook League. It all stems back to the fact that all Alberta Senior Teams are on the HCR system from the first game of the season and Saskatchewan only requires Senior teams to have a final team registration by Feb 10 so during the season it is very difficult to say who is actually on a Sask team. Hockeypops, where is this Feb 10th date coming from?? Most senior leagues in Saskatchewan are into playoffs by Feb 10th. Senior teams in Saskatchewan have to have their rosters set on January 10th. Saskatchewan senior AAA teams had to have their affiliate list in by December 15th and had to have their 25 man team roster in on December 30th. Actually according to Hockey Canada rules as followed by most the Provinces affiliates have to be signed by Jan 15 as per the new affiliate rule and Jan 10 is the day you have to be down to your 25 man roster. If on Jan 10 you have less than 25 men, you have until Feb 10 to sign any player that is unsigned and who has not played after Jan 10. Hence the signing by HL of Shawn Mezi, Adam Tomkow, Jase Weslosky, Ben Boudreau, after Jan 10. In fact Beaudreau and Weslosky were Feb 10 signings. These are the Hockey Canada roster deadlines for Senior Hockey and have been for some time. Have a look at the Fort Sask / HL playoffs and Weslosky and Boudreau didn't exist for that but did against Bentley. In the end it's not these rules that are at the heart of the issue with LBK but rather how late Hockey Sask allows Senior Teams to finaly register all it's player in the HCR database. In Alberta the HCR is used from day one so every team in a league knows the registered players and status of all other teams in their league from the very first game of the season. For the Chinook League this is true "EXCEPT" for Lloyd. LBK always had the excuse of Sask Hockeys rules for the HCR.
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Post by hockey19 on Mar 18, 2012 22:51:57 GMT -5
WoW!.. So without this Kim Marsh appeal and obvious power trip. Game 1 should be won by Horse Lake? If Stoney doesnt appeal "on their own" by the end of the game?
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Post by hockeypops on Mar 18, 2012 23:09:23 GMT -5
WoW!.. So without this Kim Marsh appeal and obvious power trip. Game 1 should be won by Horse Lake? If Stoney doesnt appeal "on their own" by the end of the game? Power trip I'm not sure I would go along with but I would suggest proper due diligance for a Championship playoff game. On the one hand we say we don't want anyone to interfere and on the other side of the coin we cry foul when something is caught after the fact. What way would you like it when it's for all the marbles in a Provincial Championship? Had LBK been caught earlier, a whole set of playoffs would have changed and had LBK been caught before their series with SLA was done, SLA would have played Bentley for the Chinook title.
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Post by hockey19 on Mar 18, 2012 23:55:43 GMT -5
DOES A MEMEBER OF STONEY PLAIN EAGLES, COACH OR G.M, HAVE TO MAKE THE PROTEST AND WHEN? .. All these amazing rules, im sure it would say somewhere. "the team must protest before game is over" "must come from a member of the Stoney Plain eagles" ext.
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Post by hockey19 on Mar 19, 2012 0:11:09 GMT -5
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