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Post by wade on Mar 19, 2012 9:10:00 GMT -5
Team officials must authorize any official protest(s).
Its already been explained why the LBK glitch went unnoticed and the discipline levied for that case came from SHA. I don't have an official dollar figure...but...I am told the fine they were given was "very big".
I agree...the punishment SHOULD be the same for everyone in Canada.
Reality...for the time being...is thats not the case. Its been this way for a long time.
Horse Lake would have served themselves well to dutifully attend all Hockey Alberta meetings and co-operate with the SR AAA community on matters such as their HCR being posted the same way all the other teams had their rosters "viewable" all winter long.
They didn't. And they didn't have too many allies in the CHL or the NPHL.
Bottom line is...when you break the rules...your bound to get caught.
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Post by hockeypops on Mar 19, 2012 11:23:19 GMT -5
Wade is right with one exception, the fine came from the Chinook League, which was the only thing they could do at the time. SHA refuses to do anything.
Hockey19 you indicate that HL is an underdog and somehow I or the AAA community in general is against them. Not true. The previous way they played and recruited and openly paid players in 2005 leaves HL open to scrutiny. Do you think they magically came up with 3 or 4 top end players on Feb 10 because nobody had bothered to give these guys an opportuniy to play. Do you think these players from Edmonton and area, weren't wooed by Fort Sask, Stony Plain, Bentley or SL, teams within 150 KM or less than where they live and could have played all winter? Underdog, hardly. HL has once again opened it's purse of money that no other team enjoys and brought in talent. Do I speculate that this has happened? Of course. There are no letters from players proving they got anything, just player talk, but give your head a shake if the obvious doesn't jump at you. Why would a player travel 6 or 8 hours one way to play hockey for any team when the same level of team and competition is 20 minutes to an hour or so away. Every top team pays for hotels and generally provides perks like sticks, pants, helmets and/or gloves if needed, so what's left? What would truly entice the player to go that distance? It's not rocket science!!
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Post by purch on Mar 19, 2012 12:46:51 GMT -5
Guys, I couldn’t agree with you more. If HL would attend a meeting or two, they wouldn’t be in this mess. Rules are rules and sometimes it can come back and bite you.
Also every team should have to show its roster at the same time. I don’t get it, teams like Powell River always get away with that.
Every team pays players. But it really bugs me to see guys like Kip ( contract ) Noble. Jump from team to team for the cash.
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Post by sam on Mar 19, 2012 13:55:44 GMT -5
Other than the fact that you "dislike" the idea of the players getting paid, please point me in the direction of the rule that states they are not aloud to be paid?? Why should they be put in a bad light because they have the means of "opening the purse" to do what they feel (right or wrong) to win an Allan Cup. Yet again an extremely caddy remark from Hockeypops towards HL.
It is unfortunite that yet again HL has been referenced to the 2005 team, they are run under a completely different organization at this point and are nothing like the previous team. If someone can 100% guarentee that no other player accross alberta or canada is getting "perks" for playing than perhaps the money issue should be laid to rest.
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Post by hockey19 on Mar 19, 2012 14:53:48 GMT -5
Thats funny how you change the subject. Ya underdog! If you havent payed any attention to any of the hockey going on, HL has used affiliate players to get where they are. The few guys picked up near the end were friends of guys on the team. Ohhhh noooo. "well lets just say that they stole them" pfft your looking way to deep is all. Its senior hockey, a place where politics have no buisness. I will not waste any time on such a stupid argument about perks or gas money. I'll just say this> dont be stupid. I could go on and on and give you FACTS about other teams but, like i said lets not be stupid. This is not the debate and this is an endless one i will not be part of.
I am glad you getting closer to the truth, beating around the bush is kinda annoying.
Wade, suspention to the HL Chiefs coach came from the Chinnook league? Hockey Canada? or this Marsh person? .. Id go back and search but, im on a phone and time is of the e$$ence.
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Post by sam on Mar 19, 2012 14:57:58 GMT -5
Hockey19.....well said!
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Post by hockey19 on Mar 19, 2012 15:06:11 GMT -5
I did catch the part where Wade said "team officials have to authorize any official protest(s)" ... Rules are rules
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Post by wade on Mar 19, 2012 15:21:49 GMT -5
The Chinook League has nothing to do with this.
Ray Marsh is the president of the CHL. Kim Marsh is SR Counsel of Alberta and it would be Kim overseeing the HL/Stony Series.
And any sentencing he levies will be right out of the rule book. Its not something he arbitrarily dreams up.
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Post by hoover37 on Mar 19, 2012 15:25:31 GMT -5
Hahaha. Here we go with paying players bs. U won't c any other teams comment about this because 100% teams at this level pay players.. It's FACT not guess work. U think LBK or FSJ or the mighty generals would b able to host nd win an Allen cup with just players who play for fun. Not a chance. Just had to post this because it happens everywhere but only HL gets accused of it. What a joke. Hahahaha.
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Post by sam on Mar 19, 2012 16:08:03 GMT -5
Wade, it has everything to do with the Chinook Hockey League. To say it doesnt is simply trying to pass the buck.
Your correct sentencing is not something he dreams up but it is extremely inconsistant.
Hoover37 - you are correct!
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Post by hockey19 on Mar 19, 2012 16:23:46 GMT -5
Well if its straight outta the rule book, then i'd imagine the rule you just presented us would be in that very same rule book?? .. Like I read on here "every team coach or manager should know the rules" "go to meetings" Did they say at any of these meeteings that rule "TEAM OFFICIAL MUST MAKE PROTEST(s)" Cause that is the case here. You think Stoney would have "Caught" it?? I guarantee you not. Just like Horse wasnt aware! and really i care less about the LBK situation and obviously noone else does..
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Post by bardown on Mar 19, 2012 16:43:55 GMT -5
were pretty sure it was kim marsh that notified stony of the import issue, it could of been dealt with before the game, kim decided to let stiony know after, moved on, we would like the dody wood suspension a lil lighter as lbk did play so many games in alberta with too many imports and no suspensions or anything to them(we kno theyre hockey sask)but the rules were broken while playing in ab..so why no suspensions or rulings from hockey canada as they broke the rule while playing in a senior carded game? if someone was hit from behind in those games or got suspension that was from hurting someone in that game say a gross or something im sure that would hold up? game 5 is a biggy...go chiefs
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Post by sam on Mar 19, 2012 16:59:39 GMT -5
Kim Marsh was at the Stony game with Ray and was holding a print out list of players before the game.
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Post by wade on Mar 19, 2012 17:13:02 GMT -5
The Horse Lake side of this thing needs to step back and try seeing this from a different perspective.
Game sheet etiquette doesn't require one team editing the other teams side of the sheet PRIOR to the game.
Both teams fill out the sheet knowing the reprecussions if something isn't lining up. Thats why your responsible for YOUR team. Thats why the coach signs HIS name under HIS teams' line-up.
Ive already commented about how I think all of this could be avoided...but...right now...it is what it is. The rules & reprecussions are known well in advance and its not Stony Plains' fault or Kim Marsh's fault.
Furthermore...what was Kim Marsh supposed to do if he was the first person to detect a problem?
Say nothing? Give HL a secret warning? Because he certainly can't do that. The reasons should be obvious.
If nothing was done about the error in game one...who knows how many more "errors" Horse Lake would have commited through the remainder of the playoffs?
If anything...HL might be thankful it was taken care of after just one game because there is no telling what the ruling would have been if they'd played a few games or the entire series with a non-compliant roster. They could have had the series awarded to Stony Plain and been banned from ANY sanctioned games for next year as well.
This is not a ticky-tack rule which was broken. This rule has been around a long time and its in the book for distinct purpose(s).
When I look at the entire HL roster...I see a recruitment agenda there with not much attention to detail. I believe some of the players they signed ARE, in fact, "friends" of other guys on the team. I don't doubt it for a second.
The problem with that is...they got carried away and ended up with a few too many imports and not enough concentration on how all the talent was going to fit on a game sheet while abiding by all the rules.
Consider...
They've already burnt up most of the window they can use their AP's. They're actually playing with a less talented roster in the finals than they did the previous 2 rounds because of this.
I tend to view this problem as proof there wasn't much thought put into the roster and not nearly enough awareness of what the rules are.
And to put that on Kim Marsh?!
Come on you guys! Suck it up. Own your mistakes and decide it on the rink.
And for the love of vulcanized rubber...please...don't play the race card. Your embarassing yourselves now.
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Post by wade on Mar 19, 2012 17:16:50 GMT -5
Kim Marsh was at the Stony game with Ray and was holding a print out list of players before the game. Doesn't matter. A printed list of players is NOTHING to do with a game sheet. Totally different documents.
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