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Post by jimc on Dec 1, 2014 23:12:46 GMT -5
jimc, I'm just asking. Did your charges that there was no way Harvey or Walker played in Dundas for free, not get responded to clearly and concisely on Oct.5/2014? not sure it was entirely accurate just sayin'
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Post by munzie on Dec 2, 2014 3:27:38 GMT -5
jimc, I'm just asking. Did your charges that there was no way Harvey or Walker played in Dundas for free, not get responded to clearly and concisely on Oct.5/2014? not sure it was entirely accurate just sayin' jimc, with all due respect here we are some two months later. You are still beating the same drum and thereby effectively implying for all to hear that the answer you were given was a lie. And the best you can come up with is that you're "not sure" the response you were given was entirely accurate! Would it be fair to say Jim, that you are just blowing smoke about something that admittedly you do not know? (and to be clear I'm talking about in Dundas, not Cambridge)
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Post by jimc on Dec 3, 2014 21:45:04 GMT -5
oh, I know Harvey (and other on that team) was paid.
I do not know about Walker...there as a ton of bad blood hen he quit in Cambridge, and we were stuck with 6 mos of paying the insurance on his NHL contract...I know what he played for in Cambridge, and can't imagine him playing for free for anyone, but it was a really messed-up situation.
The wink and a nod around the room between all the operator was $500/gm for the pros in that lockout year...no reason to think Walker didn't make that...but I don't know for sure.
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Post by munzie on Dec 4, 2014 8:45:32 GMT -5
oh, I know Harvey (and other on that team) was paid. I do not know about Walker...there as a ton of bad blood hen he quit in Cambridge, and we were stuck with 6 mos of paying the insurance on his NHL contract...I know what he played for in Cambridge, and can't imagine him playing for free for anyone, but it was a really messed-up situation. The wink and a nod around the room between all the operator was $500/gm for the pros in that lockout year...no reason to think Walker didn't make that...but I don't know for sure. Wow...such riveting, earth shattering & salacious stuff. Where are the hookers? I'm sitting on the edge of my seat! Others players, tons of blood, NHL insurance contracts, messed up situations, winks & nods, working agreements between managers/operators (imagine that!) Did stuff like that really go on? Please don't tell me any more or I'm going to have to cover my ears and fall asleep. I know there's a lot bottled up in there, but why not save "your version" for the tell all book your going to write. Maybe tittle it "When My Dad Owned a Hockey Team That Folded a Decade ago" ...a Decade Ago .a Decade Ago. (Sorry, I think my keyboard must have jammed) C'mon my friend, let's cut to the case and the matter at hand here. That other suff is irrelevant. I only got involved here because after the courtesy of a clear and concise explanation was provided to you on Oct. 5th re: Harvey & Walker, you continued your emphatic insistence on something that you now agree you did/do not know. If you are unable to think of a reason why Walker might not have taken a cheque while playing for another team (Dundas) a decade ago, then perhaps that may constitute a shortcoming on your part. Moving along to this decade, you stated in an Oct. 4th post response to B regarding player payment, that you do not know what goes on today, and then you also added that guys in Brantford are compensated but not all and not equally. There are several reasons Jim why I have brought up some of this stuff. One of those reasons is because Snipper 81 has recently chosen to reference you as someone with internal knowledge, and then went on to make some il-informed and disparaging remarks. Perhaps he'll be listening and have an opportunity to sort things out!
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Post by naitch2727 on Dec 4, 2014 9:16:52 GMT -5
Here is what I know...
JimC is correct in stating the $500/game payment for the top end boys. Looking back at the 08 Blast, I remember being told by someone very close to the Blast organization that Rice was getting that amount. Brantford boy and Bruins draft pick and then Hurricane property Jim Baxter was also getting a pile of $$$...at least that is what he personally told me while sitting next to me in the dressing room while we both got ready for Saturday afternoon men's hockey. Then there was the Sarnia connection during that year...Brand, Brown, Simon...they were all getting top $$$. True story...Simon tried to hold out for more $$$ from Ham one night as he didn't want to make the trek from Sarnia in a very mild snowstorm!!! Great story and only 1 you would hear in Senior hockey.
Now for the Hornets...I would think Dionne, Zezel, Walker, Harvey and maybe even Kerr? were getting top $$$ as well but I'm not going to pretend to know...just making a guess?
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Post by munzie on Dec 4, 2014 10:55:54 GMT -5
Hello naitch. I've missed your presence lately. Trust you to say things in a proper way, You might want to don your Kevlar vest though. The sniper may be attacking you again for being un-loyal, even if you've been correct more often than not!
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Post by naitch2727 on Dec 4, 2014 14:06:52 GMT -5
Hey munzie...usually check the board every day. To be honest...being able to post on the board while at work is hit or miss...firewall sometimes restricts it, sometimes it doesn't. I will have to watch out for Sniper...
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Post by B on Dec 5, 2014 21:42:10 GMT -5
sniper, if "younger more committed" players aren't quite good enough to play at this level, why would you continue to have them on the team if you have a better player available later in the season? I'm glad you are not running a team, they wouldn't be competitive. Your team and Norwood might be a good match up, maybe. I think its great that players like Stolar ect. are playing because Dundas needs bodies, so good on them for stepping up...its a short term solution, the fact is if dundas wants to compete with the top teams, they can't afford to have these players on the roster during the 2nd half and playoffs, and they would be the first to admit that. Sniper, you've had a couple good things to say on the site and I appreciate your contributions
Is it just me, or does jimc sound like a complete moron everytime he posts? I sure hope harvey wasn't getting paid more than $25 for a win and $5 for a loss....he wasn't even a good player, if it was up to him, he would have been smoking in between shirts and drinking beers between periods, he was way out of shape.
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Post by B on Dec 5, 2014 21:44:37 GMT -5
Great to see local Dundas born Dave Cianfrini in the lineup tonight, as well as Ryan Watson, surprised he's not back playing in the echl. whats the story there Don? was it his choice to come back home?
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Post by B on Dec 5, 2014 22:26:27 GMT -5
Jim, sorry, I forget to put the smile after saying that... don't take that to heart.....you are a good contributor and I enjoy reading most of your posts but going on about who you think was paid has got to end...and that was, shift, not shirt
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Post by Don Robertson on Dec 6, 2014 7:19:18 GMT -5
Great to see local Dundas born Dave Cianfrini in the lineup tonight, as well as Ryan Watson, surprised he's not back playing in the echl. whats the story there Don? was it his choice to come back home? He has been skating with us all year and had a bit if a nagging injury but is ready to go. It's his choice to not play be playing Pro at this point. Dave was living away from Dundas but is back now it's good to have back out, although he caught a pretty good high stick last night. Cheers Don Robertson
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Post by Sniper 81 on Dec 6, 2014 21:09:20 GMT -5
I'll clarify my thoughts. My main issue is that I hate the notion of part time players. Some teams are worse for this than others. I realize that this a league for guys to ease out of higher levels and balance other commitments but for it to happen repeatedly is an issue.
As a fan, I feel cheated wasting time and money to watch a makeshift lineup not be at close to full strength and competitive. I have no inside knowledge but given recent events it appears that limited perks could be a contributor to that.
I also feel badly for the committed players who are cast aside annually in favour of higher profile guys who are suddenly available later in the season. I agree, it's a balance between committment/skill but it can be done. I would note that I've enjoyed watching guys like Ward, McKee and Brown play in recent years. Some teams have these priorities pretty well balanced more often than not.
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Post by Don Robertson on Dec 6, 2014 21:37:17 GMT -5
I'll clarify my thoughts. My main issue is that I hate the notion of part time players. Some teams are worse for this than others. I realize that this a league for guys to ease out of higher levels and balance other commitments but for it to happen repeatedly is an issue. As a fan, I feel cheated wasting time and money to watch a makeshift lineup not be at close to full strength and competitive. I have no inside knowledge but given recent events it appears that limited perks could be a contributor to that. I also feel badly for the committed players who are cast aside annually in favour of higher profile guys who are suddenly available later in the season. I agree, it's a balance between committment/skill but it can be done. I would note that I've enjoyed watching guys like Ward, McKee and Brown play in recent years. Some teams have these priorities pretty well balanced more often than not. Dear Mr Sniper ( who ever you are ) I find your comments intriguing firstly you feel feel cheated as a fan presumably because you think teams should start with a squad they finish with ( which doesn't happen at any level ) then you feel bad for the players who start but may not finish with a club ( cast aside ) the Real Mc Coy's have such players you allude to I think and one that comes to mind is Scott Stafford who I was attacked for on a personnel level as a cheap publicity stunt, Staff was named as an assistant captain to the Real McCoys this week and was a member of the Allan Cup Champions last season . Running these teams is no easy task and can't be run the way fans and operators always enjoy . Regards Don Robertson
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Post by munzie on Dec 6, 2014 23:00:45 GMT -5
Amen!
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Post by wade on Dec 6, 2014 23:37:57 GMT -5
I see it differently than Sniper81. I've always found things rather interesting & exciting around the deadlines...when we find out who's coming & going.
Of course...the only question that matters is: Did the team get better?
Clearly...Dundas DID get better last spring. Much better.
The Army doesn't be exactly "plan" for bringing players in late in the year...it just works out that way most years...keeping in mind, SR AAA is (whether we like to admit it or not) a last stopping place for most players...so it stands to reason SR AAA rosters need several months to completely put together.
Furthermore...SR AAA teams build rosters/teams on a year to year basis. Anyone trying to build a team over a multiple season plan...is fighting against the natural cycle of turnover.
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