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Post by mlh01 on Nov 28, 2014 20:03:18 GMT -5
The Dundas Real McCoys received their Allan Cup banner and rings.
All players here except McKee.
And surprise surprise.... Greg Stewart playing.
Christie, Smith eh all won't be far behind I'm thinking.
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Post by Sniper 81 on Nov 28, 2014 20:56:27 GMT -5
Are Mifsud and D Smith back? If they were playing this year as stated and they were at the ceremony you'd figure they'd be in the lineup.
Wonder what travel expenses are being covered for Stewart a mere week after he was being flown out east at considerable expense. If he's only playing for the fun of it you'd figure he would've been in Dundas the whole time rather than travel a considerable distance and occupy full weekends to play. BTW I have no issue with that but don't insult us and claim that no one is compensated in some form.
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Post by The Goon on Nov 29, 2014 1:31:47 GMT -5
There Back the HWO "Brother".
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Post by wade on Nov 29, 2014 18:54:24 GMT -5
Sniper 81, Nobody denies "compensation in some form".
Plus, I'm pretty sure if you read up on the league Gander is playing in...you'll find they actually run the league under a professional philosophy where money is an acknowledged but controlled aspect.
The Newfoundland branch does a lot of odd stuff.
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Post by Sniper 81 on Nov 29, 2014 19:42:59 GMT -5
Wade I think it's actually better the way that NF's league is open about player costs.
There's numerous examples of it taking place elsewhere where it's covered up. Jim C with some internal knowledge claimed Scott Walker wouldn't play in his hometown of Cambridge unless he was compensated but instead played in Dundas. Then throw in Stewart's case now. Dundas still claims that players aren't paid.
The rules are too loose IMO. Reasonable travel expenses can be interpreted so many ways - where is the line drawn? Airfare, hotels, gas money or you could even argue that a player needs a vehicle to get to a game. Throw in team sponsor incentives and there's no parity.
Given that the number of senior teams are dwindling this is a huge problem. Orilla, Welland and Norwood are recent examples of this. If a team can't compete due to budget restrictions team owners, fans and sponsors get frustrated and pack it in. This isn't the only factor but a big contributing one. Teams also need to be in areas that are in close range to skilled players and need sponsors, volunteers and eager fans among other success factors.
If teams played on a level playing field that would be a good start to helping promote senior hockey. We all enjoy seeing a ringer play but not at the expense of a struggling league.
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Post by Don Robertson on Nov 30, 2014 9:01:58 GMT -5
Wade I think it's actually better the way that NF's league is open about player costs. There's numerous examples of it taking place elsewhere where it's covered up. Jim C with some internal knowledge claimed Scott Walker wouldn't play in his hometown of Cambridge unless he was compensated but instead played in Dundas. Then throw in Stewart's case now. Dundas still claims that players aren't paid. The rules are too loose IMO. Reasonable travel expenses can be interpreted so many ways - where is the line drawn? Airfare, hotels, gas money or you could even argue that a player needs a vehicle to get to a game. Throw in team sponsor incentives and there's no parity. Given that the number of senior teams are dwindling this is a huge problem. Orilla, Welland and Norwood are recent examples of this. If a team can't compete due to budget restrictions team owners, fans and sponsors get frustrated and pack it in. This isn't the only factor but a big contributing one. Teams also need to be in areas that are in close range to skilled players and need sponsors, volunteers and eager fans among other success factors. If teams played on a level playing field that would be a good start to helping promote senior hockey. We all enjoy seeing a ringer play but not at the expense of a struggling league. What Jim failed to point out about Walker was is that he had a dispute of some kind and had been released by Cambridge and was then convinced the best way to make a statement was to play in Dundas ( no cash required)With respect to Stewart he played with us the Allan Cup season ( late in the season but that's when we found him ) and by accounts I have just got tired of the travel quickly, now he can be home before midnight Friday's or any other game for that matter which makes sense to me and a lot of people. Cheers Don Robertson
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Post by wade on Nov 30, 2014 18:34:33 GMT -5
Wade I think it's actually better the way that NF's league is open about player costs. There's numerous examples of it taking place elsewhere where it's covered up. Jim C with some internal knowledge claimed Scott Walker wouldn't play in his hometown of Cambridge unless he was compensated but instead played in Dundas. Then throw in Stewart's case now. Dundas still claims that players aren't paid. The rules are too loose IMO. Reasonable travel expenses can be interpreted so many ways - where is the line drawn? Airfare, hotels, gas money or you could even argue that a player needs a vehicle to get to a game. Throw in team sponsor incentives and there's no parity. Given that the number of senior teams are dwindling this is a huge problem. Orilla, Welland and Norwood are recent examples of this. If a team can't compete due to budget restrictions team owners, fans and sponsors get frustrated and pack it in. This isn't the only factor but a big contributing one. Teams also need to be in areas that are in close range to skilled players and need sponsors, volunteers and eager fans among other success factors. If teams played on a level playing field that would be a good start to helping promote senior hockey. We all enjoy seeing a ringer play but not at the expense of a struggling league. When was the last time a "ringer" damaged a league? Or...more specifically...when was the last time a ringer...getting paid huge $$$ to play...came at the expense of a league...or an AC Tournament? It's kind of rhetorical. I think if a team doesn't have its $$$ stocked up enough to do some of the things NECCESARY to recruit talent...they're gunning for the wrong trophy, at this level.
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Post by jimc on Dec 1, 2014 0:14:09 GMT -5
and Harvey wasn't paid, either, was he Don?
Tell the WHOLE truth, please.
It is not factual to say the McCoys have not paid players in the past. I am not insinuating last year, but when Cambridge were in the league, All the team managers had a working agreement concerning compensating players...especially the 'NHL exception'.
and yes, Walker did leave Cambridge over a dispute...but Donny knows a lot more about that than he is letting on.
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Post by munzie on Dec 1, 2014 16:01:44 GMT -5
jimc, I'm just asking. Did your charges that there was no way Harvey or Walker played in Dundas for free, not get responded to clearly and concisely on Oct.5/2014?
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Post by 2949 on Dec 1, 2014 18:29:36 GMT -5
Donny bought his allan cup last year that's why this league is falling apart thanks to guys like this he will open his wallet again this year
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Post by The Goon on Dec 1, 2014 18:59:19 GMT -5
Hey 2924 how the hell would you know or are you an all knowing guru.
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Post by Sniper 81 on Dec 1, 2014 19:20:28 GMT -5
Well everything I predicted would happen has so far.
Stewart returned but it was earlier than expected.
The team fielded a short lineup Sunday vs Brantford as a minimal roster is signed. Without Mole, this team as is now is in trouble. We have been told Mifsud and D Smith will be back and others will follow. Again, younger committed players now will be cut when this happens. Why are guys constantly allowed to play parttime? Probably because there's no enough resources to cover a full season of play.
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Post by Sniper 81 on Dec 1, 2014 19:22:29 GMT -5
Also, wish there were more competitive teams where a playoff spot is all but assured to penalize teams for operating this way.
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Post by wade on Dec 1, 2014 20:13:13 GMT -5
The Army runs full line ups. 98.5% of the time, at least.
I guess we're just lucky AC isn't in Ontario this year...so...the rest of us can have a chance.
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Post by The Ghost on Dec 1, 2014 21:08:42 GMT -5
The ACH Champion will be in trouble when Kenora flys into town on Apr 2nd for the best of 3 series April 3-5 2015. Laugh out loud. Maybe the ACH should oomprise an allstar team to make it close. Just saying.
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