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Post by wade on Apr 21, 2015 15:26:55 GMT -5
oh good...this again. so 2-3 guys play together, and it means they have this nebulous team chemistry you've been yapping about...fuck, 6 of them weren't even in Clarenville until Thurs...LOL You need a nap...you've had a rough week! Actually...it's more like most of the team was made from the AP list. Plus they had 3 games against Rosetown prior to the tournament...and got better as the tournament went on.
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Post by wade on Apr 21, 2015 15:12:54 GMT -5
SEPT wouldn't care how the Allan Cup is set up - they are in it to compete at a high level because they all want to keep playing at that level - whatever format bring it on!!! They were just lucky to have enough players who could commit to go to SK and NL. And for those that think MB has such a huge population of players to play at the SR AAA level get your heads out of the sand/snow! Did SEPT blow any teams out with ridiculous scores - no, so with that obviously it was anybody's game at any given time. Guess SEPT wanted it more!! When you get down to 5 or 6 SR AAA level, none of whom play any games together before late March, do you still have a "high level" tournament? Especially if most people know some others teams aren't playing in the tournament despite being as good or better than the skeleton teams still playing in this hypothetical tournament? Who would be willing to sponsor a "championship" tournament where ALL teams qualify via acclimation? Who would be willing to attend a tournament which features teams who only play in the tournament?
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Post by wade on Apr 21, 2015 15:08:40 GMT -5
Jim, Several posts from several different posters have already covered the fact SEPT players DO play together on SR AA teams. SOME play together on SOME teams huge difference Ya. A huge difference from nobody playing any games together. Obviously.
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Post by wade on Apr 21, 2015 10:11:16 GMT -5
Homes,
Newfoundland has a population of about 500,000 people.
They run 2 SR Leagues, with 100's of games & full playoffs.
Population isn't an excuse for ANYONE.
There's plenty of club teams in MB & SK. In fact SK has more SR hockey than anywhere in country. MB has a lot more SR than most people on this forum seem to realize. I believe they've got 3 of the most successful "AA" leagues around. Someone from MB can maybe offer more informed info than me on this?
Point is...the same roots are there that are in other parts of Canada.
I don't know how to fix it for them...but...right now...they have no motivation to try.
Senior AAA hockey is dying.
It wouldn't matter who won it this year. The diagnosis would be the same.
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Post by wade on Apr 21, 2015 9:43:45 GMT -5
Ha...ya...I might be presumptuous inferring Alberta & ACH pulling out wouldn't affect the tournament.
But...my question to the boys in Manitoba is: How do YOU think the tournament would come off if Alberta & Southern Ontario decided they wanted to do something else?
It's a fair question. Manitoba can find plenty of reasons not to play SR AAA leagues/games.
Trust me...So can a lot of Alberta & ACH teams. We all can.
But...we don't. We find ways to run a league. We find players & sponsors & fans and take care of the business.
Other part of the map? They'll actually turn down requests to play exhibition games and even if they agree to schedule a game...no sure things. This year a couple teams actually cancelled a few times.
And I'm just a fan, remember, I'm not speaking on behalf of ANYONE.
I'm just sayin...I wonder how the tournament would look if everyone did the same thing as SEPT and a growing number of other teams?
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Post by wade on Apr 21, 2015 9:29:26 GMT -5
Wow. And here I thought mis-spelling "ALLAN" Cup was disrespectful.
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Post by wade on Apr 21, 2015 9:27:47 GMT -5
Very true on the missed playoffs comment. However, there were more competitive teams that year too. Without checking, you only needed about 3 wins to make playoff this season so it's not that tough of an accomplishment. Actually...it is a tough accomplishment. The ACH starts playing games in October. This means every team begins recruiting & building rosters...well...yesterday...if they're smart. Gotta try and be ready for the start of the season. Gotta have some clink in the bank to put gas in the bus, pay the fees and put some sticks & gear in the tickle trunk, too. Being in a league basically means all operations of the hockey team run non-stop. Year round. It's a way bigger picture than just what the standings show.
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2015 22:03:02 GMT -5
Jim,
Several posts from several different posters have already covered the fact SEPT players DO play together on SR AA teams.
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2015 21:37:01 GMT -5
You and Don need to have coffee. think Hockey Canada will pick up the tab.YES YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES WERE TO THE CHAMPIONS.I will defend the general players,and coach.dont think the agree with u and the rest. Again: How am I being disrespectful?
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2015 20:15:07 GMT -5
I THINK YOUR ALL MISSING THE POINT. IT WASNT A FLUKE OR THE WAY SEPT OPERATE THEIR TEAM. IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU PLAY ALL YEAR OR NONE. I STILL THINK THEY HAD THE HIGHEST TALENT LEVEL THAT IS DUE TO THEIR HUGE AREA TO DRAW FROM. EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE THOUGHT THEIR TRAP SYSTEM SUCKED, THERE IS MORE TO IT. IF THE TRAP WAS THE ANSWER, EVERY TEAM AT EVERY LEVEL WOULD BE PLAYING IT. THEY ARE JUST A GOOD TEAM. PERIOD. THE BEST PLAYERS FROM ALL OF MANITOBA. Don't kid yourself...their system was a huge part of it. And there are a lot of teams who DO use a similar strategy and DO win championships with it. This includes some AC teams...but...the trap isn't a fun system to play & it will damn sure result in empty rinks for teams who need to TRY & sell a brand. SEPT never had to worry abut any of that & they've got a coach who was smart enough to realize what an easy sell it would be to get HIS team to play that style.
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2015 19:58:07 GMT -5
I broke my promise!Only because I finally agree with wade.Wade.u get into that piggy bank and get this thing going.Hell,tell me where to send the check,exciting. You,along with many others have disrespected many good hockey people,players and the game. You guys belong in a different league.Go for it.It would please many. Bentley got beat not by an allstar team.just a bunch of good prairie boys who know how to win.And by the way,kenora is in Ontario.Pass it on. Bentley went down swinging & they did it with the team they played together with all year. The only guy they were missing was Kyle Bailey. He was home with his expectant wife. SEPT was a great bunch of talent grouped together from a few different MB SR teams along with some excellent core pieces of their own roster. I'm not disrespecting SEPT. I am not accusing them of cheating & I'm not expecting/asking for the Allan Cup to change the rules to prevent SEPT from participating in the Allan Cup. All I am saying is SEPT & Kenora and teams have that ilk can HAVE the Allan Cup...I would RATHER see CHL & ACH teams playoff against each other. How is this being disrespectful?
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2015 19:24:59 GMT -5
That's not even remotely close to what my argument was. I said: Dundas missing 4 players all year would not be a good reason for them to lose a series against Kenora because Kenora hadn't played any games...at all...prior to that series. SEPT beat Bentley in the 7th game they played. They had several players who'd played all year at the SR AA level & they obviously had a situation that worked perfectly for them. Would I...personally...rather have SEPT's schedule as opposed to Bentley's? Hell no. I'd rather play games. I'd rather grow all year through adversity & spending time...as a team...together. Even in lite of the undeniable fact The Army lost that game to SEPT...I'd still take our situation over theirs 10 out of 10 times. SEPT played a smart, strategic tournament and it paid dividends. I give them credit for that...but...I do not think the way they operate their team is the "best" way to win an Allan Cup. It seems to me Wade that the way SEPT operate their team is the best way to win an ALLEN Cup. After all, they did just win did they not? Or do you think it was just a fluke how this all shaked down? I don't like the word "fluke". I think a lot of things worked out very well for them, the team played well and they won it this year. I don't think they're a template for the way other teams should operate & I wouldn't do it the way they did it...unless I had no other choice.
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2015 14:02:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing a series between the ACH and the CHL. And it wouldn't bother me if the trophy up for grabs was NOT the Allan Cup, to be honest. Let the all star teams and the "teams" that never play any games...play for the Allan Cup. Let them all get together for 2 weeks in April and hoist a trophy at the end and call themselves champs. Fine...great...enjoy! I'd find it every bit as fun & energizing to do exactly what we've been doing in the ACH & CHL for the past 50 years...and send each seasons winners head<>head and have a helluva battle with the southern Ontario teams going against Alberta teams. The Allan Cup can remain a "challenge trophy" to be contested among teams who don't play games because they can't or they don't need to or whatever the reason is...who cares...but...make sure you don't ever play a game before March 25th. That would be very "Un-AllanCup-Like". Just read this post after mine...wade I've also thought the same thing. As crazy as this sounds, I know for sure there are a # of fans who would love to see Bentley play Dundas in a "series". If somehow that could be arranged, I know for sure that Dundas or Brantford would fill their arenas. Of course, we'd win every year - KIDDING !!! Back to a serious note - this would be a great challenge - maybe mid-season during the xmas break Pie in the sky....but you never say never I would just play that series in place of the Allan Cup. The Allan Cup would then consist of...well...um...I don't know...I guess it would just be a "Faxing Contest" where a bunch of people who have a deep affinity for writing down really impressive lists of players...but don't actually have the $$$ or the infrastructure to ever physically PLAY GAMES...could simply submit their lists of players and then hold a uber-Intense online voting campaign between FANS of these teams (have to wait until all 9 of them have submitted their vote) choose which is the best list of players...and BANG...there is your Allan Cup Champ...come get your picture taken!!! They wouldn't have to play a single game. They could win an Allan Cup for the cost of a single sheet of paper...or...if the sheet of paper is too pricey...just electronically submit the list.
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2015 13:34:23 GMT -5
Wade. If you don't think they won the cup the "best" way, what do you recommend they do differently given the state of hockey MB, their budget and teams available to play against without travelling across the country and spending $$$ which is all supplied by one guy (Marv)? I honestly don't know what they could do differently and that's why I'm NOT accusing them of doing anything wrong. I'm looking at it from our end and wondering what is the point of LOSING an Allan Cup to a team that doesn't play any games? It makes us look & feel like shit to play in front of the entire country & lose after we did SO MUCH just to get there...and to me...the league teams are the ones providing the prestige to the trophy. Think about it...what would your AC win be worth if just Kenora & SEPT played for it? I think...I could be happy with A DIFFERENT trophy...awarded among real teams, from real leagues. I can't fix the Allan Cup. I can't fix SEPT or Kenora or the All Star teams. The real question at this point is: Why do Alberta & ACH want to continue being the only reason it's worth it for YOU to show up & play the tournament?
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Post by wade on Apr 20, 2015 13:24:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing a series between the ACH and the CHL.
And it wouldn't bother me if the trophy up for grabs was NOT the Allan Cup, to be honest.
Let the all star teams and the "teams" that never play any games...play for the Allan Cup. Let them all get together for 2 weeks in April and hoist a trophy at the end and call themselves champs. Fine...great...enjoy!
I'd find it every bit as fun & energizing to do exactly what we've been doing in the ACH & CHL for the past 50 years...and send each seasons winners head<>head and have a helluva battle with the southern Ontario teams going against Alberta teams.
The Allan Cup can remain a "challenge trophy" to be contested among teams who don't play games because they can't or they don't need to or whatever the reason is...who cares...but...make sure you don't ever play a game before March 25th. That would be very "Un-AllanCup-Like".
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