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Post by wade on Aug 24, 2011 21:11:53 GMT -5
Hi Wade. Gee, you just Gotta love those folks at google. There always out in front of everything. I just plugged in Armyville, and it came up in Newfoundland. ;D You should try spending your google time more productivley & see if 'the worlds leading search engine' can locate Mike Kennedy's heart before next April.
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Post by munzie on Aug 25, 2011 11:31:41 GMT -5
Hi Wade. Gee, you just Gotta love those folks at google. There always out in front of everything. I just plugged in Armyville, and it came up in Newfoundland. ;D You should try spending your google time more productivley & see if 'the worlds leading search engine' can locate Mike Kennedy's heart before next April. Prety good comeback! I was betting that you would stab me with something clever. Speaking of heart, if your vague inference was somehow suggesting that the McCoys could still be playing next April, then I'm certainly heartend by that. Getting back to the business of your recent post, obviously true utopia would be for all regions to have sufficient teams compeating. In the meantime your suggestion for Quebec & Atlantic Region would seem like a good one. I quess it would have to be a short series over a weekend, something for example like N.Ontario vs S.Ontario best of three. Even at that, the travel distance/cost might? be much greater for Q.C. vs possibly Newfoundland, with the winning team haveing the additional cost of going to Armyville, ALBERTA to play for all the marbles. Allways the preverbial cost factor I guess, but otherwise a seemingly good idea.
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Post by wade on Aug 25, 2011 20:27:58 GMT -5
Its nothing critical for Clarenville to playoff versus Quebec. The only fundamental thing I feel MUST happen out east is: Atlantic Canada has to qualify a tournament team each year. They can't be permitted to defer to the following year the way they've done the past 2 seasons. Its completley bogus & embarassing to the entire fraternity!
Any-hoo....
Here is the official list of 2012 SR AAA Teams:
ATL: Clarenville Caribous
Ontario: Dundas Real Mcoys Whitby Dunlops Norwood Vipers Brantford Blast Orillia Tundras
HNO: Kenora Thistles Fort Frances Thunderhawks Thunder Bay
MAN: Iles Des Chenes North Stars South East Prarie Thunder Manitoba Lightning
Sask: Lloydminster Border Kings Rosetown Red Wings Balgonie Bison
AB: Horse Lake Chiefs Bentley Generals Fort Sask Chiefs Stony Plain Eagles Sylvan Lake Admirals
BC: Fort St John Flyers
There it is, folks.
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Post by padjjeff on Aug 25, 2011 20:45:50 GMT -5
5 teams in Alberta. Just what format are they going to come up with?
You cannot do the former way of giving a buy to the team who won the previous year. Because then it gets knocked down to 3 teams, and well, an uneven number.
IMO a decent formula would be to start with a two game round robin. Play each team twice, once on the road, once at home. The team with the worst record of the five is bumped out. Then when you get to the four depending on which four it is, you re-seed them 1, 2, 3, 4. If it's the 4 chinook teams seed them by how they finished in the league. If Horse Lake makes the final 4, then seed them 1-4 based on the first round robin play.
Alternatively, a two game round robin might be "too much" as that's a total of 8 games played for each team. However it would have to be determined who gets home ice in each game. Could go by how each team finished. Since Horse Lake is new to the "AAA" fold, they'd have to play each game on the road. The Generals would receive home ice for each 1st round robin robin series. Fort Sask would play at home 3/4, and Sylvan would play 2 at home, 2 on the road, at home vs. stony and HL on the road vs. the Generals and Fort Sask. And Stony would play 1 at home vs. HL and 3 on the road vs. the rest based on them being the first team bounced out last year.
I don't think you could come up with a better formula than above. Hockey Alberta, take notes!
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Post by wade on Aug 25, 2011 21:17:32 GMT -5
Whatever the format is....I think its already been agreed upon. Its too bad the powers that be weren't thinking outside the box (again) this summer. With just a little bit of ingenuity & deliberation Hockey BC could have simply 'adopted' the Horse Lake Chiefs as a 'BC AAA' team for this season. This would have kept the Alberta Playoff tree down to a more manageble number and more importantly it would have allowed FSJ to have some competition/playoff excitement for the first time in a few years. (assuming HL puts together a decent team, of course). And it would also be much more sensible from a logistical/travel consideration. But alas...HL is on the Alberta side & personally....I would like to see the 4rth place Chinook League team relegated to a 'WILDCARD SERIES' (best of 3) versus Horse Lake Chiefs with the winner advancing to play the 1rst place Chinook League team as part of 4 team semi-final round. 2 & 3rd would playoff at the same time, obviously. Thats just my 2 sense.
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Post by padjjeff on Aug 25, 2011 21:30:55 GMT -5
Whatever the format is....I think its already been agreed upon. Its too bad the powers that be weren't thinking outside the box (again) this summer. With just a little bit of ingenuity & deliberation Hockey BC could have simply 'adopted' the Horse Lake Chiefs as a 'BC AAA' team for this season. This would have kept the Alberta Playoff tree down to a more manageble number and more importantly it would have allowed FSJ to have some competition/playoff excitement for the first time in a few years. (assuming HL puts together a decent team, of course). And it would also be much more sensible from a logistical/travel consideration. But alas...HL is on the Alberta side & personally....I would like to see the 4rth place Chinook League team relegated to a 'WILDCARD SERIES' (best of 3) versus Horse Lake Chiefs with the winner advancing to play the 1rst place Chinook League team as part of 4 team semi-final round. 2 & 3rd would playoff at the same time, obviously. Thats just my 2 sense. The relegation method also sounds like a good idea. In fact, probably a better idea as it cuts down the amount of games, mind you only by one, that a team would have to play.
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Post by padjjeff on Aug 25, 2011 21:34:29 GMT -5
Either way if a format has been agreed upon, I hope it's one of the two above. As those are the only two that makes ANY sense whatsoever!
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Post by wade on Aug 25, 2011 21:47:07 GMT -5
Whatever they come up with....I just hope its a format which mitigates the chances of Alberta's SR AAA Champion having to make 2 trips up to Peace Country.
At a glance....thats a tricky enterprise...because we can never safely predict outcomes of game(s) or series'.
And I know Horse Lake wants a fair shake....but...what they need to remember is...the Chinook League has been a constant & reliable SR AAA participant for a long time. Its league members invest a great deal into this level of hockey and they keep coming back year after year after year. And every once in awhile....thats gotta' count for something!
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Post by bardown on Aug 26, 2011 13:18:12 GMT -5
sorry guys 1st place in chinook shudnt get a bye imo...how the f are you placing teams when there is no yearly meetings with ALL the AAAteams... sorry chiefs arent in chinook league...im pretty sure that league isnt allan cup league is it? so why should teams not in chinook league but still eligable for allan cup be penalized more travel and be scrutinized? any team can card AAA enjoy the competition cya in the spring...
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Post by wade on Aug 26, 2011 13:27:34 GMT -5
sorry guys 1st place in chinook shudnt get a bye imo...how the f are you placing teams when there is no yearly meetings with ALL the AAAteams... sorry chiefs arent in chinook league...im pretty sure that league isnt allan cup league is it? so why should teams not in chinook league but still eligable for allan cup be penalized more travel and be scrutinized? any team can card AAA enjoy the competition cya in the spring... So whats your proposal? How do you think a 5 team field should be seeded? The only other format I can see is a tournament...but the thing about that is...who HOSTS the tournament?! Were right back to square one, arguing about 'home ice rights' if we go a tournament route. I agree with your feelings about Hockey Alberta keeping the SR AAA door open to more than JUST Chinook League teams. But you have to realize...90% of the time...the Chinook League is the ONLY source of SR AAA teams ands its difficult to re-align just to accomodate a team that plays at this level once every 8 years.
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Post by wade on Aug 26, 2011 14:38:00 GMT -5
As it turns out...the CHL's 4rth place team will host a 3 game series with Horse Lake for the last Provincial spot. I confirmed this via Twitter this afternoon.
So....my scenario would actually have been more "HL friendly' than the official format!
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Post by bardown on Aug 27, 2011 23:08:18 GMT -5
yes its tough to figure out but hockey ab did it and we face 4th place team just to get into semis so we are in tough and look forward to it...
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Post by wade on Aug 28, 2011 11:07:24 GMT -5
You guys signed some memorable & colorful players in 2005. If the 2012 version is anywhere near that....it will be highly entertaining if nothing else.
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Post by jimc on Aug 28, 2011 23:26:23 GMT -5
Now THAT is funny!
I do agree, having last year's Nfld league champ declare for THIS year is idiotic...especially when the defending champs won;t even be eligible to defend their crown.
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Post by wade on Aug 29, 2011 14:22:05 GMT -5
Now THAT is funny! I do agree, having last year's Nfld league champ declare for THIS year is idiotic...especially when the defending champs won;t even be eligible to defend their crown. The explanation behind why this continues to happen is ambigous at best. The Atlantic delegation maintains they need the 'one year buffer' to raise funds & set travel arrangements in order to attend the AC Tournament. This is, of course, bogus! However, I have YET to hear any formal complaints from other branches. This is (mostly) just 'me' sounding off about something I have strong personal feelings in regards to. Its surely a significant issue, to my eyes, at least. Warranting a seperate thread, really. So, I won't take THIS thread down the gutter with a rant about ONE specific glitch. At the same time....I will NOT allow it to be watered over and hidden under a sheet of ice either. Its a drastic dis-service that should have been ammended a couple years ago!
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