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Post by catsfan200 on Aug 29, 2011 15:15:40 GMT -5
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Post by wade on Aug 29, 2011 17:14:36 GMT -5
Nothing would surprise me. I have an e mail with a Hockey Canada letter head....listing Clarenville as the only ATLANTIC team...and it could very well end up being GFW. Speaking of e mails....I was told (via Twitter) late last week...the Alberta Playoff format had been finalized. This afternoon, I recieved a letter saying a final agreement has NOT been settled quite yet. So...'hold your horses'...Horse Lake...
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drm1
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Post by drm1 on Sept 5, 2011 10:49:45 GMT -5
Whoever Newfoundland sends will be an all star team from their league anyway. They just have to figure out which jersey they're going to wear.
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Post by jimc on Sept 5, 2011 20:46:59 GMT -5
whatever, right? how is it any different fro the Newfie teams to travel to the C than it is for anyone else? Look at Tbay...taking school buses out there.
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Post by thelionsden on Nov 19, 2011 12:11:19 GMT -5
How is raising money to go to the allan cup bogus... Where have most of the Allan cups taken place in the last few years...I believe out west.....The cost to fly an entire team, pay for hotels and lodging is enormous...We the representitive of the ATLANTIC region of canada are looking forward to the experience that the allan cup brings. I'm sure there will be alot of newfoundlanders there to support the Grandfalls-Windsor Cataracts
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Post by thelionsden on Nov 19, 2011 12:14:44 GMT -5
It won't bee an all-star team I can tell you that much... it will be the bulk of our current roster...barring any injuries.. it was'nt an all-star team that clarenville brought last year either.
Just a question that i'm not sure of.. but can any of the other teams going to the AC pick up any players?
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Post by regal on Nov 19, 2011 14:13:17 GMT -5
The new Afiliation (AP) Rule allows all AAA teams to place, I think it is nineteen players, on their Reserve Roster. These players must be carded on teams from the same Level or lower and I think the players must be within your Branch. I am sure there are others that use this board that will correct me if I am wrong on any of the comments. Yes, it is expensive but everyone knows this and it is not going to chang in the near future.
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Post by wade on Nov 19, 2011 18:37:37 GMT -5
How is raising money to go to the allan cup bogus... Where have most of the Allan cups taken place in the last few years...I believe out west.....The cost to fly an entire team, pay for hotels and lodging is enormous...We the representitive of the ATLANTIC region of canada are looking forward to the experience that the allan cup brings. I'm sure there will be alot of newfoundlanders there to support the Grandfalls-Windsor Cataracts How is it bogus, you ask? Its bogus...because the Atantic Region is the ONLY branch given a "special" format for qualification to the Allan Cup Tournament. And the truth is...the Newfie teams have been operating with bigger budgets/more revenue than most other SR AAA teams for quite awhile already...so...please...don't try and sell us any hard luck stories about how pressed for pennies they are. All SR AAA teams face significant logistical & financial challenges. We can quibble over exact amounts...but really...is there any point? Even if the Newfies travel costs are more than a few other tournament teams...thats not anywhere near justifiable reason to give them a full calender year head start on everyone else in the tournament. Worst case scenario...they could hold formal SR AAA playoff games much EARLIER in the CURRENT hockey season...if they had any pride or respect for themselves at all. But nope...The Newfies will pull into Lloydminister Saskatchewan and park in the handicap stall (again) this spring. Bogus. Again. Also, Regal, you are close to defining the new affiliation rules...but not quite.... SR AAA teams can affiliate (19) players from only LOWER TIER hockey clubs. This rule is nationwide...and it is ALSO...BOGUS.
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regal
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Post by regal on Nov 19, 2011 19:43:49 GMT -5
Thanks Wade. Hope to see you sometime during the Play-downs.
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Post by hitman on Nov 20, 2011 1:55:49 GMT -5
I think it's funny how Wade says it's bogus that newfie's get a full year to prepare. If they want to let last year determine who is AAA and who is AA, that is there choice. It's just like the Regals picking and choosing what years they go AAA. Don't the Generals have to declare in June or July?
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Post by thelionsden on Nov 20, 2011 10:13:33 GMT -5
sorry for hitting a nerve wade...but we here in NEWFIE as you like to call it are the only league in atlantic Canada...so who are we suppose to play?....Newfoundland wins one Allan cup in the last 25 years....and now they are being lambasted for following the rules set out for them.
As i said earlier...we look forward to the experience in April...as this will be our first taste of this high caliper of hockey
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Post by thelionsden on Nov 20, 2011 11:10:59 GMT -5
I hope Quebec is back in the fold again... Sure. Provided they're open to buying into the majority rules....as opposed to the rules the Newfies follow. Man you sure have an issue with NEWFOUNDLAND (NOT NEWFIE)....Drop down sometime....maybe you will have a different view
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Post by hockeypops on Nov 20, 2011 14:21:12 GMT -5
How is raising money to go to the allan cup bogus... Where have most of the Allan cups taken place in the last few years...I believe out west.....The cost to fly an entire team, pay for hotels and lodging is enormous...We the representitive of the ATLANTIC region of canada are looking forward to the experience that the allan cup brings. I'm sure there will be alot of newfoundlanders there to support the Grandfalls-Windsor Cataracts Please enlighten me about your league and set up. As I understand it there are 13 teams in two divisions and the winner of each division plays off for the Herder Cup as Provincial Champion. How many people attend games through the season? As I understand from your website, you sell corporate sponsorships now. It had been rumoured that Clarenville drew as many as 6000 people per game to their finals. Not to be rude but if that number is true then they collected $60000 per game. For 3 games of playoffs that's $180,000 not counting regular season. Add to that, the fact that all teams attending an Allen Cup get an allowance for travel and Nfld gets substantially more than anyone. Truly the compensation doesn't cover 100% of travel costs but give me a $180,000 playoff cash plus travel expenses and I'll pay for a ticket for you and a buddy to attend an AC in Western Canada, all expenses paid. The average Alberta team draws 220 to 300 people per game regular season and maybe 500 to 700 in Provincial playoffs. Then an Alberta team travels to BC for a 5 game series called the McKenzie Cup and if they win, on to the AC. Every second year the MC is either in BC or Alberta. If your lucky enough to host the MC in the same year as you win to go to the AC, it"s a bonus year and you actually have extra travel money but that's just random chance. So this year, after playoffs are done, the Alberta team must travel to Fort St John or Powell River, depending on who wins in BC. A small compensation for travel is paid but again nowhere near actual costs. On top of all that you are asking players to take time off from work to play the MC series, best of 5 held on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday so add travel Wednesday and travel Tuesday for the full week and leave the following week for the AC. If there is anything I must suggest that irritates Wade is the road we travel to get to an AC as compared to some (not all) and the costs we pay as compared to some, in relationship to our revenues.
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Post by thelionsden on Nov 20, 2011 14:54:43 GMT -5
Hey Hockey Pops Just a little tidbit for you... we have a 5 team provincial league here....that draws about an average of 8 to 900 fans a game for our regular season. the Herder was played last season at Mile One in st john's for the east teams..and we the cataracts played our games in our home rink which has a maximum or 1247 people including standing.
The cost to run a senior team here is expensive... due to travel hotel meals equipment etc...as i'm sure you guys find the same. Thats not the arguement... the arguement is saying we get a free pass...which is not the case.. i assume it's just different ways to qualfy...And to truly make it a national tournament.. i believe you need ALL regions to take part...over the last number of years it's been mainly western canadian teams at the Allan cup right?
If the next 5 allan cups were on the east coast...would you still have all these teams in the west vieing for the AC? this is just a question...as i do not know the anwser.
Again we look forward to going to Lloydminster SK. and Hope we will be welcomed there by all teams
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Post by wade on Nov 20, 2011 14:54:57 GMT -5
sorry for hitting a nerve wade...but we here in NEWFIE as you like to call it are the only league in atlantic Canada... so who are we suppose to play?....Newfoundland wins one Allan cup in the last 25 years....and now they are being lambasted for following the rules set out for them. As i said earlier...we look forward to the experience in April...as this will be our first taste of this high caliper of hockey Oh, Newfie! Could you find your ass with both hands if you had a week of practice before the test? Atlantic teams would (of course) play the same teams they're playing right now, under the same playoff format...the only difference which SHOULD be taking place is: The CURRENT Herder Champion advances to the Allan Cup. Sometimes I can't help but wonder if the only reason Atlantic Canada got this sweetheart deal was because it was like barking up a dead dogs ass trying to explain to them any OTHER way of doing things. Do they even know what the format(s) are in OTHER regions? Im assuming not. But ignorance isn't any kind of excuse. And yes...the Generals declare during the summer. As do all other Alberta SR AAA teams. In BC I believe the closing date is later in the calender year. And yes...FTR...I believe the date SHOULD be the same across the country. However..."declaring"... AAA status and actually qualifying for the tournament are two totally different things. We use a classic playoff format for that minor, little detail, Newfie.
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