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Post by wade on Nov 20, 2011 15:01:24 GMT -5
I think it's funny how Wade says it's bogus that newfie's get a full year to prepare. If they want to let last year determine who is AAA and who is AA, that is there choice. It's just like the Regals picking and choosing what years they go AAA. Don't the Generals have to declare in June or July? Just because its their 'Choice' doesn't make it justified or sensible.
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Post by thelionsden on Nov 20, 2011 15:08:26 GMT -5
Hey Wade I am not too familular with how things work in Alberta...nor at the Allan Cup.... like I said earlier...we are new to this...Are we asking to bend rules. NO....these rules are set by Hockey Canada I presume?
As for the Newfie Comments...thats just goes to show your ignorance...so i'll leave that alone for now. Look forward to seeing how our team will do at the Allan cup.... we might get blown out every game... or we might even put up a good fight. I would say the AC hockey is a few steps above our league..
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Post by wade on Nov 20, 2011 15:08:32 GMT -5
Hey Hockey Pops Just a little tidbit for you... we have a 5 team provincial league here....that draws about an average of 8 to 900 fans a game for our regular season. the Herder was played last season at Mile One in st john's for the east teams..and we the cataracts played our games in our home rink which has a maximum or 1247 people including standing. The cost to run a senior team here is expensive... due to travel hotel meals equipment etc...as i'm sure you guys find the same. Thats not the arguement... the arguement is saying we get a free pass...which is not the case.. i assume it's just different ways to qualfy... And to truly make it a national tournament.. i believe you need ALL regions to take part...over the last number of years it's been mainly western canadian teams at the Allan cup right? If the next 5 allan cups were on the east coast...would you still have all these teams in the west vieing for the AC? this is just a question...as i do not know the anwser. Again we look forward to going to Lloydminster SK. and Hope we will be welcomed there by all teams Yes, a true National Championship DOES need participants from ALL branches. Its been said several times by several people here. But another requirement which I personally believe should be upheld is having the SAME rules for ALL branches. Just like every other National Tournament! And...FYI...The Generals have travelled EAST for 3 of the 5 tournaments they've qualified for. St Georges de Beauce (2004) Brantford (2008) Kenora (2011)
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Post by wade on Nov 20, 2011 15:19:00 GMT -5
Hey Wade I am not too familular with how things work in Alberta...nor at the Allan Cup.... like I said earlier...we are new to this...Are we asking to bend rules. NO....these rules are set by Hockey Canada I presume? As for the Newfie Comments...thats just goes to show your ignorance...so i'll leave that alone for now. Look forward to seeing how our team will do at the Allan cup.... we might get blown out every game... or we might even put up a good fight. I would say the AC hockey is a few steps above our league.. Its a single game elimination tournament. Your team will do just fine. Nobody is questioning the Newfies ability to ice a strong representative. The format YOUR team qualified under was a negotiated agreement between the Atlantic Branch delegate (Noseworthy) and Hockey Canada. Im 99% certain nobody really "liked" it at the time...but...because the Newfies pitched it as an ultimatum....the only other "choice" anyone had was to not have ANY Atlantic Rep and I guess the lesser of two evils was settled on. Its unfortunate...but...it DOES relate to YOUR team directly because thats the group which Mr. Noseworthy was listening to when this concept was tabled 3 years ago.
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Post by thelionsden on Nov 20, 2011 15:23:01 GMT -5
So....would you think the AC is a few steps higher that our league...like i said... the only AC i've seen is on TSN.... your generals team are an awesome team from what i saw... they just ran into a hot Jason Churchill.
The AC has never ever been on our radar until we seen how well Clarenville did last season.
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Post by wade on Nov 20, 2011 16:13:04 GMT -5
So.... would you think the AC is a few steps higher that our league...like i said... the only AC i've seen is on TSN.... your generals team are an awesome team from what i saw... they just ran into a hot Jason Churchill. The AC has never ever been on our radar until we seen how well Clarenville did last season. All depends on who you play/what year your looking at. Some years...the tournament isn't really all that strong. And last years' tournament was the weakest field I have seen. I think 2012 will be much stronger.
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Post by thelionsden on Nov 20, 2011 17:38:15 GMT -5
How come it was a weak field....did'nt all the team win their respective divisions?
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Post by sasky99 on Nov 20, 2011 19:05:28 GMT -5
Can the Alberta teams pick-up players from Carstairs and Innisfail?? Or because their teams didn't enter provincials, they are sh*t out of luck??
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Post by wade on Nov 20, 2011 19:45:40 GMT -5
Can the Alberta teams pick-up players from Carstairs and Innisfail?? Or because their teams didn't enter provincials, they are sh*t out of luck?? Of course. They're both 'AA' teams.
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Post by sasky99 on Nov 20, 2011 19:50:15 GMT -5
Can the Alberta teams pick-up players from Carstairs and Innisfail?? Or because their teams didn't enter provincials, they are sh*t out of luck?? Of course. They're both 'AA' teams. Ok thanks, i didn't know how it works there in Alberta. So they are entering AA provincials than. thx
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Post by munzie on Nov 21, 2011 0:07:02 GMT -5
It would be nice to know just what the actual reason was (good or bad), for the negotiated agreement allowing the Atlantic Division to pre-declare their Allan Cup entrant.
The drift I'm getting is that lionsden doesn't know the answer, other than because it's permitted, then it's o.k. That is hardly a challenge to someone like wade who feels the rule is bogus.
Neither is the situation the same as that of Powell River jumping in and out of AAA and AA. It's not even close to being similar, unless the premise would be that one bad situation justifies another bad situation. I don't particularly like the Powell River jumping up & down either, but the answer should not be that two wrongs make a right. That would be just nonsense.
In the absence of knowing the reason for such a special agreement, it is hard for me to understand how someone could think that it is fair for other regional teams to have to battle hard (with all it entails) right down to just a few days before the big tournament, while one team has an automatic entry and can prepare accordingly as they choose. It really does not matter how many teams are in your league. If there are more than one, then they should compete to go, in the same season as the tournament.
For what it's worth, after the team I cheer for was eliminated at last years Allan, I jumped on board the Clarenville bandwagon and was clapping enthusiastically when the cup was hoisted. I have also often visited (dropped down) to NEWFOUNDLAND and always found the place and the folks to be delightful. I most certainly do not have anything against NEWFOUNDLAND, and frankly I don't think others on here do either.
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Post by bds on Nov 21, 2011 10:56:00 GMT -5
Last year only clarenville registered as a "AAA" team so it didnt matter who won the Herder (Grand Falls) as they wernt registered. This year however GFW are registered as well. I get the feeling the teams here are now seeing that they can compete at this level and its only a matter of time before more of them register "AAA". Along with that i think you will see the current Herder winner compete for the Allan Cup. You have to remember NL senior hockey has come along way over the past 5 years.
Also i think alot of people in Lloydminster will be very suprised with the team GFW will bring to the allan cup this year. THis team is a very conditioned, fast, and polished team. You give them any chance and they will make you pay. Even without an affiliate team i think they are a top contendor for the tournment.
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Post by munzie on Nov 21, 2011 11:32:29 GMT -5
Thanks bds.
I won't be surprised at all.
Strong team. Thats great.
That being the case, I would hope you are correct that future teams will compete to go in the same year, and I would also hope it would be sooner rather than later.
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Post by hockeypops on Nov 21, 2011 14:00:49 GMT -5
Last year only clarenville registered as a "AAA" team so it didn't matter who won the Herder (Grand Falls) as they weren't registered. This year however GFW are registered as well. I get the feeling the teams here are now seeing that they can compete at this level and its only a matter of time before more of them register "AAA". Along with that i think you will see the current Herder winner compete for the Allan Cup. You have to remember NL senior hockey has come along way over the past 5 years. Also i think a lot of people in Lloydminster will be very surprised with the team GFW will bring to the allan cup this year. This team is a very conditioned, fast, and polished team. You give them any chance and they will make you pay. Even without an affiliate team i think they are a top contender for the tournament. It would be great to see the current Herder Cup Champion represent the Atlantic region. You just may find your euphoria short lived as you are just a part of the Atlantic Region. It also includes NB and NS so now that more Nfld teams declare AAA because they feel they can compete, so will NB and NS teams, who will become part of the mix. You will soon face a situation where you will play off against another province or two before being declared the Atlantic representative to the AC. When that happens, you will finally face what the rest of Ontario west faces in order to qualify. At the last AC, the HC Rep for the Atlantic Region was sure other teams in NB and NS would soon step forward and the win by Nfld just makes it that more likely.
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Post by wade on Nov 21, 2011 17:59:31 GMT -5
If its not a cumbersome enough discussion...consider: Hockey Canada allows Newfoundland the "free year" to raise funds...apparently sympathizing with their plight. And then at the other end of their reasoning....the affiliation rules aer re-written, essentially expanding each AC teams' roster to 40 players. Now...ask yourself....where is the money to pay all these extra per diem(s) going to come from? Seriously? The Newfies cant attend the tournament under proper qualification format...but...they (along with everyone else) are supposedly keen on the idea of paying for up to 19 ADDITIONAL players to travel to the tournament? Laughable. So stupid it hurts.
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