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Post by ronaldo on May 7, 2014 18:09:24 GMT -5
wade you are so full of SHIT ITS COMING OUT YOUR EARS
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Post by jimc on May 7, 2014 21:45:03 GMT -5
I took the Bentley traveling well comment as a compliment...I thought the exact same thing opening night when the line of big, strapping, bearded western boys seemingly had no end as they filed onto the ice for the introductions..it was an impressive sight. Bentley also had an impressive number of management and Executive representing them, as well.
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Post by jimc on May 7, 2014 21:52:29 GMT -5
The size of the rink was precisely WHY the McCoys built that team the way they did...Home ice advantage...to a 'T'
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Post by wade on May 7, 2014 22:10:32 GMT -5
I took the Bentley traveling well comment as a compliment...I thought the exact same thing opening night when the line of big, strapping, bearded western boys seemingly had no end as they filed onto the ice for the introductions..it was an impressive sight. Bentley also had an impressive number of management and Executive representing them, as well. I understand that...but...it's a misnomer that The Army is always icing their best roster in the tournament. Unlike most other SR AAA teams, the Alberta winners play an extremely tough schedule. More often than not...it takes a toll. We've went to several Allan Cups hiding injuries or missing top players, too injured to even get in the line up. I can also think of several examples of Gens players missing tournament & playoff games with work & family priorities. It's callous & completely inaccurate of some of these posters to be assuming/insisting otherwise.
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Post by jimc on May 7, 2014 22:49:10 GMT -5
I never insinuated anything of the sort...just that they appear to be a proud and professional organization...no other team brought as many members of their traveling party.
most teams are playing hurt or missing guys by the time they end up in some remote Canadian outpost in the middle of April. Dundas were really fortunate to be icing their entire, best roster all week...it certainly helped.
Brantford, for instance, lost Greg Bullock during the ACH Finals...he would have been good for at last another goal or two, most likely a win somewhere down the line...could have changed their entire tournament, from pretender to contender.
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Post by wade on May 7, 2014 23:15:30 GMT -5
Sorry. Didn't mean to imply it was you who said it. The posters making those errors have bowed out of the thread, it seems.
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Post by Don Robertson on May 8, 2014 17:36:25 GMT -5
I took the Bentley traveling well comment as a compliment...I thought the exact same thing opening night when the line of big, strapping, bearded western boys seemingly had no end as they filed onto the ice for the introductions..it was an impressive sight. Bentley also had an impressive number of management and Executive representing them, as well. I understand that...but...it's a misnomer that The Army is always icing their best roster in the tournament. Unlike most other SR AAA teams, the Alberta winners play an extremely tough schedule. More often than not...it takes a toll. We've went to several Allan Cups hiding injuries or missing top players, too injured to even get in the line up. I can also think of several examples of Gens players missing tournament & playoff games with work & family priorities. It's callous & completely inaccurate of some of these posters to be assuming/insisting otherwise. This why teams competing for the Allan Cup musy earn that right to challenge and be forced to face a certain level of adversity to level the playing field, not sure teams with free passes have any injuries to speak of and the only commitment the players need really is a week to attend the tournament . Bentley and Brantford had to win 8 league playoff games attend . Don Robertson
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Post by mlh01 on May 8, 2014 18:21:10 GMT -5
Sorry. Didn't mean to imply it was you who said it. The posters making those errors have bowed out of the thread, it seems. Wade - I started the thread and I'm likely one of the posters you're referring to. I honestly feel that the Generals do travel the best of any Senior organization in Canada. When I say that, to be frank, it's a compliment. I was at the opening ceremonies and there were actually people laughing in the crowd at how large the "Army" was compared to other teams...many more players, more coaches, more of an entire entourage. Even more fans than any other team except the 2 S. Ontario teams. Again, to me that is a compliment. It means you have the most dedicated group. I will go one step further and add to this thread...I still do not for a minute believe that there has been a Senior team in the last 10 years that would have beaten this year's McCoys...not during the year, not in February...but for those 4 games in this year's Allan Cup. That lineup was too strong, too big and just too talented...in any size barn. And again I've pretty much watched every game online, and am basing my opinion on what I perceive to be facts. It's not a slight against Bentley in 2013 or any other Champion...just my opinion based on my Senior hockey knowledge and the fact I've watched so many games live and online. But what I wanted to add is that over the same time frame (last two decades say back to 2001), I will say that I think the best overall Senior operation would be Bentley, Wade. Year in and year out, the Generals are competitive. Every tournament you have travelled EXTREMELY well. You are in the thick of things at every Cup you've attended (except this past year....in reality were never in either game against Dundas or Clarenville). But you can't be in the final every year. There, I have just made that declaration that Bentley has been the most successful Senior operation of the modern era...let the discussion begin . I will go first and comment (on my own comment) - I believe the McCoys organization (again in terms of hockey) would be a close second. If I counted correctly since 2001, Bentley has been in 8 Allan Cups and Dundas in 7. That's pretty close but there were a few Cups that I watched where the McCoys just weren't strong enough with the players they managed to bring. Lastly, I would say South East is a close third...while Clarenville has not been around long enough (Allan Cup eligibility) to be in the discussion. Would love to see all 4 teams in NFld next year!!!
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Post by ronaldo on May 8, 2014 19:19:17 GMT -5
may be ontario can {allstar team } to the tourny next year like the bous did this year
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Post by ronaldo on May 8, 2014 19:21:02 GMT -5
SEND
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Post by wade on May 9, 2014 16:46:17 GMT -5
Sorry. Didn't mean to imply it was you who said it. The posters making those errors have bowed out of the thread, it seems. Wade - I started the thread and I'm likely one of the posters you're referring to. I honestly feel that the Generals do travel the best of any Senior organization in Canada. When I say that, to be frank, it's a compliment. I was at the opening ceremonies and there were actually people laughing in the crowd at how large the "Army" was compared to other teams...many more players, more coaches, more of an entire entourage. Even more fans than any other team except the 2 S. Ontario teams. Again, to me that is a compliment. It means you have the most dedicated group. I will go one step further and add to this thread...I still do not for a minute believe that there has been a Senior team in the last 10 years that would have beaten this year's McCoys...not during the year, not in February...but for those 4 games in this year's Allan Cup. That lineup was too strong, too big and just too talented...in any size barn. And again I've pretty much watched every game online, and am basing my opinion on what I perceive to be facts. It's not a slight against Bentley in 2013 or any other Champion...just my opinion based on my Senior hockey knowledge and the fact I've watched so many games live and online. But what I wanted to add is that over the same time frame (last two decades say back to 2001), I will say that I think the best overall Senior operation would be Bentley, Wade. Year in and year out, the Generals are competitive. Every tournament you have travelled EXTREMELY well. You are in the thick of things at every Cup you've attended (except this past year....in reality were never in either game against Dundas or Clarenville). But you can't be in the final every year. There, I have just made that declaration that Bentley has been the most successful Senior operation of the modern era...let the discussion begin . I will go first and comment (on my own comment) - I believe the McCoys organization (again in terms of hockey) would be a close second. If I counted correctly since 2001, Bentley has been in 8 Allan Cups and Dundas in 7. That's pretty close but there were a few Cups that I watched where the McCoys just weren't strong enough with the players they managed to bring. Lastly, I would say South East is a close third...while Clarenville has not been around long enough (Allan Cup eligibility) to be in the discussion. Would love to see all 4 teams in NFld next year!!! I think if you had watched games live, as opposed to online, you might have a much more informed perspective. I have experienced the contrast between live & televised viewing. The games look very slow on TV/Online & you can't get any appreciation for the size or skill on display...unless your actually sitting rink side. As to ranking teams in the past 10 or so years...I can offer this tid bit: Since going SR AAA in 2003 (12 seasons) The Bentley Generals have been Alberta SR AAA Champions 8 times and McKenzie Cup Champions 7 times. They've won 2 Allan Cups and 9 Chinook Hockey League Championships. They've won "something", Every. Single. Year. And of all these titles...not one of them has been through default. Not even their 2013 Allan Cup...which they earned via one of the all time best CHL regular season records + a league championship + Alberta Provincial Championship. And en route to the Provincial & Allan Cup Championship(s)...The Army never lost a single provincial playoff game. Which takes me back to the idea of Dundas being counted as the "All Time Greatest AC Team"...I leave it up to you what criteria you use to determine such a thing. Personally...I find it to be a very BIG statement and my criteria for such things...tends to be a heck of a lot more than basing it on 3-4 tournament games. But...to each their own.
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Post by Captains on May 10, 2014 23:42:50 GMT -5
Kinda funny
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Post by Captains on May 11, 2014 0:12:48 GMT -5
Wade, seems kind of hilarious how you and the ont. Boys ,totally lose it on AP issue and talk about "TEAM" but yet teams may be flying players from across the country or province.. But no that is not an all-star team. Not sure if you guys are trying to save senior hockey or kill it. By the way I live in northern bc where our aa team regularly draws 1000 and the bc final 2 years ago we had 2000 in the barn. Almost seems like the lower levels are doing better than the elite aaa. Maybe the newfies aren,t so off base. Seems all provinces other than Ont. And Alta. Have a different view,much to Don and your chagrin.
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Post by Don Robertson on May 11, 2014 8:22:50 GMT -5
Wade, seems kind of hilarious how you and the ont. Boys ,totally lose it on AP issue and talk about "TEAM" but yet teams may be flying players from across the country or province.. But no that is not an all-star team. Not sure if you guys are trying to save senior hockey or kill it. By the way I live in northern bc where our aa team regularly draws 1000 and the bc final 2 years ago we had 2000 in the barn. Almost seems like the lower levels are doing better than the elite aaa. Maybe the newfies aren,t so off base. Seems all provinces other than Ont. And Alta. Have a different view,much to Don and your chagrin. Here is a thought if you agree with AP's changing the make up of a team let everybody pick up 5 players for the Allan Cup tournament from anywhere in their province if they are on a card registered with Hockey Canada. That would have allowed Bentley' Dundas and Brantford pick up any 5 guys from their League this year prior to coming to the Allan Cup, I'm sure all supporters of open use of AP's have little choice but to agree. ( I don't but but certainly would change the event on a regular basis ) there problem solved . Regards Don Robertson
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Post by S on May 11, 2014 21:27:44 GMT -5
don I some what agree. If you guys want to use APs go for it as long as it's from a tier lower not off of a AAA team
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