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Post by wade on Mar 7, 2015 10:14:27 GMT -5
Ya I noticed Bentley had a tight 1st round series too! This Fort/Bentley series ended up the way any 1rst vs last place series should go. Flip the Chiefs out of that spot and put Norwood in their last night and they'd get the worst beating in franchise history.
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Post by mlh01 on Mar 7, 2015 13:00:01 GMT -5
Wade you're losing credibility with every post you make lately. Whitby has been so strong all year, as has Stoney Creek. There are 4 strong teams in Ontario, and yes there is parity....there is one strong team in Alberta that wins every single year. Year in and year out.
For the last time, would you go 23-1. Of course not. Do you go 23-1 and 21-3 in Alberta. Yes you do...thus the ACH is stronger top to bottom.
Let's stop this discussion please.
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Post by wade on Mar 7, 2015 14:20:36 GMT -5
Wade you're losing credibility with every post you make lately. Whitby has been so strong all year, as has Stoney Creek. There are 4 strong teams in Ontario, and yes there is parity....there is one strong team in Alberta that wins every single year. Year in and year out. For the last time, would you go 23-1. Of course not. Do you go 23-1 and 21-3 in Alberta. Yes you do...thus the ACH is stronger top to bottom. Let's stop this discussion please. You seem to make a lot of posts which you think are debate clinching arguments coming from a steadfastly objective point of view and I think your actually one of the least objective, least considerate posters on the forum, with all due respect, mlh01. I respect the possibility of the top team in the ACH right now...being better than the 2nd best team in the CHL. But... I don't know that it's a lock & shut statement we can be sure of and I do think that unless the best team in the ACH is FAR BETTER than..lets say...Innisfail...then they aren't "good enough" to beat the roster Bentley carried all winter. The CHL isn't weaker for having its top team go 23-1. That's what you need to get out of your head. I think Clarenville and GFW...with their affiliates...could be the ONLY other teams capable of that kind of dominance in this league. I've looked at the full rosters of Brantford & Whitby form this regular season...and I don't see the depth or the top end to hang with The Army.
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Post by wade on Mar 7, 2015 15:04:06 GMT -5
One edge I do think the ACH gets over most CHL teams is...goaltending.
On paper...if definitely looks as though just about every starting goalie in the ACH could be better than all but 2 goalies the Gens have faced in the CHL this season.
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Post by mlh01 on Mar 7, 2015 16:13:29 GMT -5
When I say that we should end the discussion it is because so many of your posts simply do not make sense. By posting the stats of 10 players from hockey dB means nothing.
This discussion for the most part is theoretical. Unless the two leagues played an interlocking schedule, frankly, we'll never know the answer.
Thus all of my posts are based on facts not theory.
The only facts we have are actual games that have been played between the two leagues. I have two facts that cannot be disputed.
1. Bentley has only lost 8 games in 3 full seasons of Chinook play. From afar it shows that this would prove that the rest of the league is generally weak (theory). You admit that Bentley is very close to both Dundas and Brantford when the ONT teams have full benches. Thus, once again, you know that you would not beat these teams as often as you beat the weaker teams in Alberta. To me that proves (fact) that your league is weaker.
2. You have brought up a term of 10 years with Jim C...this is the absolute best way to make my determination. You keep telling Don Robertson that the ACH representative is weak at the Allan Cup. Well, and this is another reason why I said let's end this discussion...take a look at the last 10 years wade - your memory is so jaded...
In that timeframe:
ACH teams vs Chinook teams....
ACH (Whitby, Brantford, Dundas) 4 wins
Chinook teams (Bentley, Stony Plain) 3 wins
1 tie between Whitby and Stony Plain
Again, head to head over the last 10 Allan Cups, the ACH has a better record against the Chinook league. (Fact). Bet even you weren't aware of that wade....
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Post by Blastfan11 on Mar 7, 2015 16:38:07 GMT -5
Mlh. One of the best posts I've seen in a while. If you listen to wade's posts it would make you believe that Bentley has won every game against the Ontario league. I had no idea that the Ont league had a better record against the Alberta league. Great post that maybe will shut wade up.
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Post by wade on Mar 7, 2015 16:44:22 GMT -5
I don't feel 10 years is a fair time frame.
I've already admitted Southern Ontario was better back in 2005...but...a lot has changed since then.
Whitby was at a high point back then and they've struggled to be a factor for a few years now.
I also see some "cherry picking" on your part. I think it's important to the debate that you guys admit that "The Best SR AAA League in Canada" ought to be qualifying a team for EVERY Allan Cup.
The ACH hasn't done this. Not even close. By your own admission...they scale back their AC interests in years when not hosting, which, to me is very damming on the idea it's the best league in Canada.
The Chinook has sent a team to the AC for many, many consecutive years. And almost NONE of those teams were given a spot by acclimation. They all won at least one series and most of them...several.
Head to Head in the years when these leagues have actually played each other in the AC?
In the Gens 2 AC wins...they never played a Southern Ontario team either time. But other than 2008 & 2014...Bentley was better than any southern Ontario team in any Tourney going back to Brantford (2008).
I think I can decide for myself when I'm ready to let a discussion go.
I think player to player quality is a valid entry to the argument and I think there is actually quite a stark contrast in the resumes of guys in our league compared to guys in the ACH.
I see not even a handful of guys with really proven semi-pro time in the ACH.
I haven't even used a single name of the Bentley roster...but...if it would please the court...I could start doing that and with all the guys Dundas DOESN'T have this year...compared to all the guys Bentley DOES HAVE (and didn't last year) this becomes even more one sided in my favour.
Seems to me your living in the past...looking at how good Dundas was last year and then reaching 10 years back to a different era altogether for rusty ammo.
Biggest thing is...again...ACH has way too many RECENT years where they were either POOR in the AC or not in the tourney at all.
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Post by wade on Mar 7, 2015 16:54:34 GMT -5
Mlh. One of the best posts I've seen in a while. If you listen to wade's posts it would make you believe that Bentley has won every game against the Ontario league. I had no idea that the Ont league had a better record against the Alberta league. Great post that maybe will shut wade up. It's not a fair window. Of those 8 games...half of them were played in Southern Ontario...and 3 are CHL teams facing an Allan Cup HOST team. And we readily admit HOST teams are not accurate facsimiles of what MOST programs are able to duplicate. In fact...only 2 teams in Canada can honestly say they produce as consistent level teams w/o HOST leverage. Neither of these are Southern Ontario clubs. Finally...there are only so many opportunities to evaluate head to head match ups. I fully understand glazing over computers doesn't tell the whole story...but...because Southern Ontario has so much trouble with the Northern Ontario teams...were not left with much head to head games. As for this year...I absolutely DONT see how Brantford or Dundas are "close" to Bentley. Not sure where you picked that up...but...NO...no I don't see it. Not at all. Not this year, buddy.
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Post by wade on Mar 7, 2015 17:11:38 GMT -5
In a span of 5 years: ACH/MLH teams never won a single game against Alberta. 2009-2013. Not one.
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Post by AFAN on Mar 7, 2015 17:51:09 GMT -5
WELL ITS UNCLEAR WHO "WAS" BETTER AND WHO CARES.
IN SHORT TIME THE WHOS BETTER "NOW" WILL BE SOLVED.
THEN ONE OF YOU GETS BRAGGING RIGHTS FOR A YEAR!
ONE QUESTION...HAS KENORA EVER BEATEN A CHL TEAM? HAVE THEY BEATEN AN ACH TEAM? ENOUGH SAID!
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Post by wade on Mar 7, 2015 18:49:39 GMT -5
AFAN...that's your all time best post. Also...Stony Plain went 0-3 in the 2013 tournament...but...they were legitimately in the middle of the pack talent wise. Thinking back...Alberta was the only Province to offer any sort of competition for Clarenvile that year. The Eagles had the Bous' down 2-1 in the round robin...but...lost their legs and the lead in the 3rd period of what was the 2nd best game the tournament, IMO.
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